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Postby cybotron » 20 years ago

1.Professor Tenma is Tezuka's version of Baron Victor von Frankenstein, and Atom is his version of Frankenstein's creation. Note that I compare to the novel, not the films about Frankenstein.
1a. Ridiculous!!! Tenma is based on Rotwang the master Robot maker from Fritz Langs "metropolis".
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And the entire setting of Astroboy is "Metro City", Tezuka even made Metropolis to show where he took his inspiration..... How do you ignore it?
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2.Frankenstein created his monster just to see if it were possible to do so. He cared nothing for its welfare or happiness.
Tenma had a specific reason for creating Atom, but during the design process, he obviously went mad, & rather than merely making a 'replacement' for Tobio, he added rockets, machine guns, etc (depending on whichever version we consider). He only wanted to relieve his own pain of having lost his son, he cared nothing for its welfare or happiness.

2a.ludicrous. Astro is closer to the Golem than Frankenstein...
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Created for security purposes.... And is similar to Golem and Gort, though Gort came after Astro, He is the only Robot with WMD that I can think of right now.....
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Postby rock » 20 years ago

um. cybotron. astro wasn't created for security purposes. it just kinda worked out that way after he was abandoned by Dr. Tenma. Tenma is ALOT like Dr. Frankenstein. And the novel is of far more influence. the movie was a poor translation at best.
oh and just for the record i hope your half-life 2 copy is defective.
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Postby cybotron » 20 years ago

Originally posted by rock@Nov 18 2004, 08:29 AM
um. cybotron. astro wasn't created for security purposes. it just kinda worked out that way after he was abandoned by Dr. Tenma. Tenma is ALOT like Dr. Frankenstein. And the novel is of far more influence. the movie was a poor translation at best.
oh and just for the record i hope your half-life 2 copy is defective.

Here we go again! Tenma installed photon weapons into astro.... Offensive weapons. What for?
There are two reason's why someone would build such weapons...
1.For security as a defensive unit
2. In order to overcome someone elses security as an offensive weapon.
I refuse to get into this again. :lol:
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Postby Atoman » 20 years ago

Actually Cybotron has a point about Astro being related to Metropolis. If you go to the Tezuka site and read the history of Astro, you'll find that a refference is made to Metropolis, saying that Astro was based on Tezuka's Metropolis character Tima, a female robot. It goes on to say that Astro's cute feminine charm is again based on her's. Don't believe me?, go to the site and check out. :lol: I've seen both Fritz Lang's newly restored version on dvd and Tezuka's recent film. I love both, but Tezuka's has more heart, (of course). The Fritz Lang robot was evil, but Tezuka's Tima was a sweetheart, I cried at the end. :cry: I hope they make a sequel They did sort of leave it open for one, remember Tima's voice coming out of the radio saying "Where am I?". A sequel would be awesome. :lol:

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Postby cybotron » 20 years ago

Originally posted by Atoman@Nov 18 2004, 10:18 AM
Actually Cybotron has a point about Astro being related to Metropolis. If you go to the Tezuka site and read the history of Astro, you'll find that a refference is made to Metropolis, saying that Astro was based on Tezuka's Metropolis character Tima, a female robot. It goes on to say that Astro's cute feminine charm is again based on her's. Don't believe me?, go to the site and check out. :lol: I've seen both Fritz Lang's newly restored version on dvd and Tezuka's recent film. I love both, but Tezuka's has more heart, (of course). The Fritz Lang robot was evil, but Tezuka's Tima was a sweetheart, I cried at the end. :cry: I hope they make a sequel They did sort of leave it open for one, remember Tima's voice coming out of the radio saying "Where am I?". A sequel would be awesome. :lol:

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Tezuka's Metropolis brief synopsis....
And here is an entire Sony page on Metropolis the anime, with games and everything....
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Postby jeffbert » 20 years ago

To quote Cybotron, who himself 'quotes' me, except that he omits the quotation marks:

"1.Professor Tenma is Tezuka's version of Baron Victor von Frankenstein, and Atom is his version of Frankenstein's creation. Note that I compare to the novel, not the films about Frankenstein.
1a. Ridiculous!!! Tenma is based on Rotwang the master Robot maker from Fritz Langs 'metropolis'."

Do you deny the obvious similarities? Do you think that "Professor Tenma is Tezuka's version of Baron Victor von Frankenstein" is the same as saying, "Prof Tenma is equal to or equated to Baron Victor von Frankenstein"? Do you think that "Atom is his version of Frankenstein's creation" is equivalent to saying "Atom is a monster"? Do you think that I said that Tezuka based Tenma on Dr. Frankenstein? If my statement suggests that, it was unintentional. In retrospect, I could have worded it differently. My opening statements are the ones with which you take issue, but if you bothered to read further, you would have seen the explicit elements that I compared.

"2.Frankenstein created his monster just to see if it were possible to do so. He cared nothing for its welfare or happiness.
Tenma had a specific reason for creating Atom, but during the design process, he obviously went mad, & rather than merely making a 'replacement' for Tobio, he added rockets, machine guns, etc (depending on whichever version we consider). He only wanted to relieve his own pain of having lost his son, he cared nothing for its welfare or happiness.

2a.ludicrous. Astro is closer to the Golem than Frankenstein...
Created for security purposes.... And is similar to Golem and Gort, though Gort came after Astro, He is the only Robot with WMD that I can think of right now....."

Ludicrous, how so? You fail to refute my assertions. Whether or not Atom has any similarities to Gort is beside the point. Likewise any similarity between Tenma and Rotwang is also beside the point. If you cannot see this, you have a problem, my friend. The fact remains that both scientists created artificial beings for the reasons I have stated, and neither cared a whit about those beings' needs, they only cared about their own desires. In this respect, Tenma and Frankenstein are similar. Likewise, their creations share similarities in that they were both rejected by their creators. Reread my original post & you might just see that I not only noted these similarities, but also a few differences. You have quoted my words, but failed to even make the slightest attempt at disproving them. I suggest you do some reading on the subject of English composition. My comparisons are valid, whether you like them, or not. I do not require your approval to know that my analysis is correct.
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Postby O2Destroyer » 20 years ago

Ugh, last post was mine.
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Postby jeffbert » 20 years ago

Originally posted by Guest+Nov 18 2004, 07:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Guest @ Nov 18 2004, 07:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--jeffbert@Nov 18 2004, 02:49 PM

1a. Ridiculous!!! Tenma is based on Rotwang the master Robot maker from Fritz Langs 'metropolis'."


Isn't it pretty well documented that Tezuka wasn't familiar with Metropolis at all (short of seeing a movie poster)? It is possible of course that he saw Metropolis AFTER doing his own metropolis but before doing Astro Boy. I don't know, sort of strange seeing something credited to Fritz Lang when Tezuka spends so much time denying his familiarity with his work.

Strangely, I don't know if I buy the dr. frankenstein connection either, at least not in anyway more than the most superficial level. Tenma is a strange character and perhaps Tezuka's most interesting (in the Astro universe anyway) because he is always mysterious. He is never the bad guy, but never really a good guy either (somewhat like Tezuka's later comics where he abandoned the whole good guy/bad guy premise altogether).

Dr. Frankenstein is on the otherhand completely disinteresting, frail and quite spineless. If anything, Astroboy is like Frankenstein on its head. In the novel, the disinteresting frankenstein provides a familiar setting to gradually reveal the infinitely more interesting (and ironically more compassionate) monster. Asto instead gives us that fantastic being from page 1, and only in little bits does it reveal Astro's enigmatic creator.

I really have no clue who tenma would have been based off in a literary sense...[/b][/quote]
Please do not misunderstand my post, The line you quoted was not mine, but Cybotron's critique of my post. I was quoting him, why did you remove the quotation marks?

"Strangely, I don't know if I buy the dr. frankenstein connection either, at least not in anyway more than the most superficial level. Tenma is a strange character and perhaps Tezuka's most interesting (in the Astro universe anyway) because he is always mysterious. He is never the bad guy, but never really a good guy either (somewhat like Tezuka's later comics where he abandoned the whole good guy/bad guy premise altogether)."

I made no assertion about anything other than a similarity. The post that you quote makes that very clear.
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Postby cybotron » 20 years ago

Originally posted by Atoman@Nov 18 2004, 10:18 AM
Actually Cybotron has a point about Astro being related to Metropolis. If you go to the Tezuka site and read the history of Astro, you'll find that a refference is made to Metropolis, saying that Astro was based on Tezuka's Metropolis character Tima, a female robot. It goes on to say that Astro's cute feminine charm is again based on her's. Don't believe me?, go to the site and check out. :lol: I've seen both Fritz Lang's newly restored version on dvd and Tezuka's recent film. I love both, but Tezuka's has more heart, (of course). The Fritz Lang robot was evil, but Tezuka's Tima was a sweetheart, I cried at the end. :cry: I hope they make a sequel They did sort of leave it open for one, remember Tima's voice coming out of the radio saying "Where am I?". A sequel would be awesome. :lol:

If you hyave a link showing Tezuka's knowledge of Metropolis could you post it please? :lol:
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