Here's an interesting question

[jeffbert]

Another question is since everything Meeva had "brought back" eventually reverted to its original substance (sand), why would anyone think he could restore anything permanently?

[Dragonrider1227]

Another good point. He IS insane ;p
On the other hand, the other guy who was using him seemed to be able to hold on to the jewels and treasure Meeva brought back

[the 鉄腕アトム fan]

Yeah that is a bit strange.

[Bigdog]

[QUOTE=AstroBoy03;173146]but Tobio is dead, you can't bring back the dead, unless your a Grim Riper. . .

I think you mean Necromancers...
The Grim Reaper's job is to conduct the souls of the recently dead into the afterlife... not bring 'em back to life

If he's going to bring someone from the past back why doesn't he ask Meeva to bring back Tobio?

My speculation is that perhaps Tenma fears by bringing back his human son, he poses the risk of losing him all over again; unlike a robot son who is not as fragile as a human child, and not to mention is also programmable.[/QUOTE]

From the whole story concerning Tenma, he's just one sick bastard. He displays the qualities of a person who is addicted to control and cracks at any facade which challenges and tears down his belief he can control life and anyone's lives. Tobio and Astro is a case in point.

In later stories, while Tenma is a man involved in work, he loves and craves the control he has over the projects concerning the creation and or destruction of automatons that he simply will never , ever have over his son, as a human child or even his wife who died/left him.

By combining and synthesizing the stories of Tezuka's Mighty Atom series concerning Astro's origins, it quite becomes clear that he could not or was not capable of giving a crap about people or things he has little to no control over. Ever wonder why in every version of Tezuka's story that Tobio is closely controlled and manipulated and given little to none empathy or compassion a father normally should? Furthermore ,recall how Tenma threw Astro in Hoshi's life and was just expected to accept him as her son like she had no will of her own ?

Granted he did teach the mannerisms of Hoshi to Astro's mother and all and granted ,Tenma also brought Astro back to life while helping once in a while off handedly. But all in all, Tenma is an ESTJ on the Myer-Briggs chart if not having some of the qualities of an ENTJ or ENTP.

He's not some guy I'd like to be friends with ,be a son of or a wife to. Maybe he was a better man before he got the power as the leading position at the Ministry of Science , but if he was then it was the limited power that drove him mad .

I remember thinking the same thing when reading the story. Most likely Tezuka just didn't care about Astro's origin at that point. He made him an origin story when it was needed, and forgot about it when it didn't serve the story he wanted to tell. Might be a case where the fans made the mythos more important than its creator himself saw it.

I just believe many people love a consistent mythos that is well built much like what they themselves follow, worship or possibly both and it's a natural human trait to want order in a sometimes chaotic world which fiction, religion and spirituality provide as an escape from the world.

One of the main reasons why Astro Boy is not as popular as per say, Macross, Cyborg 009, Naruto or Kamen Rider is because the canon is not in a disarray or even thrown away at a whim like it has been done with the former series. You don't see five different versions of Macross, 009 or even Naruto. Kamen Rider might be a one shot franchise now , but in the Showa period , it was continuous and involved many different Riders connected in some way to the first two while the Heisei period doesn't even try to redefine the same origin story .

I believe a canon should be established in some sense to make it easier to follow and differentiate every different version in its own universe because I keep on thinking all of the anime adaptations and manga are in the same universe at some point in time than different universes. While I like canon as much as the next guy, I find it refreshing for to have a mythos that is as flexible and malleable as the Mighty Atom.

Its interesting how Astro Boy isn't just science fiction, Tezuka also adds elements of Supernatural, fantasy and others into it, like in this story.

Word.

I love when they are intertwined too because it feels generic now that everybody does a straight on fantasy , scifi or supernatural story unless it is done well.

reading the Astro Boy manga, I read the story "Meeva." Where a 4th dimensional boy with the powers to bring back artifacts and people from the past but only when he's in great pain. Long story short, Tenma ends up with him and wants him to bring back the Astro Boy he built back in 2003 so he can raise him from the start again. I'm baffled by this. If he's going to bring someone from the past back why doesn't he ask Meeva to bring back Tobio?

He's twisted.

[Dragonrider1227]

I remember thinking the same thing when reading the story. Most likely Tezuka just didn't care about Astro's origin at that point. He made him an origin story when it was needed, and forgot about it when it didn't serve the story he wanted to tell. Might be a case where the fans made the mythos more important than its creator himself saw it.

Possibly. I remember at one point thinking that in the log run, Tobio was a Mcguffin device. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MacGuffin

[Bigdog]

[QUOTE=F-Man;173155]I remember thinking the same thing when reading the story. Most likely Tezuka just didn't care about Astro's origin at that point. He made him an origin story when it was needed, and forgot about it when it didn't serve the story he wanted to tell. Might be a case where the fans made the mythos more important than its creator himself saw it.

Possibly. I remember at one point thinking that in the log run, Tobio was a Mcguffin device. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MacGuffin[/QUOTE]

True. I would have loved if Ishinomori did a version of Astro Boy before he died while Tezuka did Kamen Rider if both have lived longer.

With that said I wish Astro was rebooted as a cyborg who is Tobio but has a personality change from a selfish brat into the Astro we know. Like the Bourne Identity.

[atoms_gf]

Maby it was one of those volumes where someone took over for Mr. Osamu because he was sick...? then that person didn't quite understand the series himself?

[Androids101]

Maby it was one of those volumes where someone took over for Mr. Osamu because he was sick...? then that person didn't quite understand the series himself?

Well...the most logical response here is either that, or that Tobio and the stuff merely served as a backstory to Astro's origin and then the producers only focused on Astro, not really Tobio. In the 1980s series, that was pretty much ignored later on, and even though the 2003 series had some 'flashbacks', it was more to do with Tenma's absurd ideas about robots than Tobio and Astro's past.

I just believe many people love a consistent mythos that is well built much like what they themselves follow, worship or possibly both and it's a natural human trait to want order in a sometimes chaotic world which fiction, religion and spirituality provide as an escape from the world.

One of the main reasons why Astro Boy is not as popular as per say, Macross, Cyborg 009, Naruto or Kamen Rider is because the canon is not in a disarray or even thrown away at a whim like it has been done with the former series. You don't see five different versions of Macross, 009 or even Naruto. Kamen Rider might be a one shot franchise now , but in the Showa period , it was continuous and involved many different Riders connected in some way to the first two while the Heisei period doesn't even try to redefine the same origin story .

I believe a canon should be established in some sense to make it easier to follow and differentiate every different version in its own universe because I keep on thinking all of the anime adaptations and manga are in the same universe at some point in time than different universes. While I like canon as much as the next guy, I find it refreshing for to have a mythos that is as flexible and malleable as the Mighty Atom.

Exactly that.

I see Astro Boy as a long-running series, and as it progressed I think that maybe the producers wanted the series to be suitable for that time, almost like evolving. For example, the 2003 series has a more 2003 feel to it than the 1980's or original. Some of the underlying messages are even the same: a father doesn't want his son, creates robot duplicate, robot duplicate finds his purpose, a robot rights revolution, robot named Pluto proceeds to defeat the world's strongest robots.

[Bigdog]

[QUOTE=atoms_gf;174067]Maby it was one of those volumes where someone took over for Mr. Osamu because he was sick...? then that person didn't quite understand the series himself?

Well...the most logical response here is either that, or that Tobio and the stuff merely served as a backstory to Astro's origin and then the producers only focused on Astro, not really Tobio. In the 1980s series, that was pretty much ignored later on, and even though the 2003 series had some 'flashbacks', it was more to do with Tenma's absurd ideas about robots than Tobio and Astro's past.

I just believe many people love a consistent mythos that is well built much like what they themselves follow, worship or possibly both and it's a natural human trait to want order in a sometimes chaotic world which fiction, religion and spirituality provide as an escape from the world.

One of the main reasons why Astro Boy is not as popular as per say, Macross, Cyborg 009, Naruto or Kamen Rider is because the canon is not in a disarray or even thrown away at a whim like it has been done with the former series. You don't see five different versions of Macross, 009 or even Naruto. Kamen Rider might be a one shot franchise now , but in the Showa period , it was continuous and involved many different Riders connected in some way to the first two while the Heisei period doesn't even try to redefine the same origin story .

I believe a canon should be established in some sense to make it easier to follow and differentiate every different version in its own universe because I keep on thinking all of the anime adaptations and manga are in the same universe at some point in time than different universes. While I like canon as much as the next guy, I find it refreshing for to have a mythos that is as flexible and malleable as the Mighty Atom.

Exactly that.

I see Astro Boy as a long-running series, and as it progressed I think that maybe the producers wanted the series to be suitable for that time, almost like evolving. For example, the 2003 series has a more 2003 feel to it than the 1980's or original. Some of the underlying messages are even the same: a father doesn't want his son, creates robot duplicate, robot duplicate finds his purpose, a robot rights revolution, robot named Pluto proceeds to defeat the world's strongest robots.[/QUOTE]


This is why I have a theory that Astro Boy either has faulty memories or scattered/nonexistant ones which make everything else different in the environment , a transdimensional being who reincarnates into another body to serve the purpose as a hero.

If its the former, than the mind wipe in all of his incarnations is a plot device for to reboot the series. Though it does not explain why 2003's era is similar to 2009's but entirely different from the prior two . But that's where the second theory comes in . Perhaps he reincarnates back into each Tobio or Toby and gets his wish to be human but in the process gives up memories of his previous existence until his resurrection as Astro Boy makes his purpose clear.

I believe the latter is the more legit of them because of Tezuka's recurring theme of reincarnation that resonates in his works.

[F-Man]

This is why I have a theory that Astro Boy either has faulty memories or scattered/nonexistant ones which make everything else different in the environment , a transdimensional being who reincarnates into another body to serve the purpose as a hero.

If its the former, than the mind wipe in all of his incarnations is a plot device for to reboot the series. Though it does not explain why 2003's era is similar to 2009's but entirely different from the prior two . But that's where the second theory comes in . Perhaps he reincarnates back into each Tobio or Toby and gets his wish to be human but in the process gives up memories of his previous existence until his resurrection as Astro Boy makes his purpose clear.

I believe the latter is the more legit of them because of Tezuka's recurring theme of reincarnation that resonates in his works.

They're just different adaptations of the comics. You're looking for something that isn't there. They would mention this stuff if it was cannon.