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[jeffbert]

Originally posted by cybotron+Nov 18 2004, 05:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cybotron @ Nov 18 2004, 05:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -Atoman@Nov 18 2004, 10:18 AM
Actually Cybotron has a point about Astro being related to Metropolis.  If you go to the Tezuka site and read the history of Astro, you'll find that a refference is made to Metropolis, saying that Astro was based on Tezuka's Metropolis character Tima, a female robot.  It goes on to say that Astro's cute feminine charm is again based on her's.  Don't believe me?, go to the site and check out.   I've seen both Fritz Lang's newly restored version on dvd and Tezuka's recent film.  I love both, but Tezuka's has more heart, (of course).  The Fritz Lang robot was evil, but Tezuka's Tima was a sweetheart, I cried at the end.   I hope they make a sequel  They did sort of leave it open for one, remember Tima's voice coming out of the radio saying "Where am I?".  A sequel would be awesome.

If you hyave a link showing Tezuka's knowledge of Metropolis could you post it please? [/b]

I well know that Tezuka based Atom upon certain traits of Mitchy, who, BTW, was the actress who portrayed Atom's mother. Quoting the Tezuka page for Atom:
</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The prototype for Atom's character was the girl robot who flew through the skies in "Metropolis" and "Perry"+ the 100,000-hp jet-propelled robot created by Yokoi Fukujiro. [/QUOTE--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The prototype for Atom's character was the girl robot who flew through the skies in "Metropolis" and "Perry" @ the 100,000-hp jet-propelled robot created by Yokoi Fukujiro. [/QUOTE)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Note, that this only partially covers the page's description of Atom's development. Also note the reference to 'Perry', & his attributes. However, there are aspects of Mitchy as seen in Metropolis (the manga) that did not influence Tezuka's designs for either Atom or his mama. Mitchy was a transsexual robot (p. 84). It could switch from male to female at the press of a button (see p. 117). Mitchy was unaware that it was a robot (p.51), until later in the story (sounds like what's her name from Blade runner), & in fact believed itself to be a boy, the son of the man who created it. Also note that Mitchy's role as the artificial being in Metropolis, it [url=<!--QuoteBegin--cybotron,Nov 18 2004, 05:15 PM]<!--QuoteBegin--Atoman@Nov 18 2004, 10:18 AM
Actually Cybotron has a point about Astro being related to Metropolis.  If you go to the Tezuka site and read the history of Astro, you'll find that a refference is made to Metropolis, saying that Astro was based on Tezuka's Metropolis character Tima, a female robot.  It goes on to say that Astro's cute feminine charm is again based on her's.  Don't believe me?, go to the site and check out.   I've seen both Fritz Lang's newly restored version on dvd and Tezuka's recent film.  I love both, but Tezuka's has more heart, (of course).  The Fritz Lang robot was evil, but Tezuka's Tima was a sweetheart, I cried at the end.   I hope they make a sequel  They did sort of leave it open for one, remember Tima's voice coming out of the radio saying "Where am I?".  A sequel would be awesome. [/quote]
If you hyave a link showing Tezuka's knowledge of Metropolis could you post it please? [/b][/quote]
I well know that Tezuka based Atom upon certain traits of [url=http://en-f.tezuka.co.jp/studio/character/c028/c028.html] Mitchy[/url], who, BTW, was the actress who portrayed Atom's mother. Quoting the Tezuka page for Atom:

The prototype for Atom's character was the girl robot who flew through the skies in "Metropolis" and "Perry", the 100,000-hp jet-propelled robot created by Yokoi Fukujiro.

Note, that this only partially covers the page's description of Atom's development. Also note the reference to 'Perry', & his attributes. However, there are aspects of Mitchy as seen in Metropolis (the manga) that did not influence Tezuka's designs for either Atom or his mama. Mitchy was a transsexual robot (p. 84). It could switch from male to female at the press of a button (see p. 117). Mitchy was unaware that it was a robot (p.51), until later in the story (sounds like what's her name from Blade runner), & in fact believed itself to be a boy, the son of the man who created it. Also note that Mitchy's role as the artificial being in Metropolis,

Yet, none of these facts detract from the similarities I noted between Atom & Frankenstein's monster. Nobody will discuss them with me, though. Cybotron tries to criticize them, but actually refuses to take issue with them, preferring to note other similarities between Atom and other characters, as though showing those similarities somehow invalidated the ones that I noted. was her sixth, not her first role.

Yet, none of these facts detract from the similarities I noted between Atom & Frankenstein's monster. Nobody will discuss them with me, though. Cybotron tries to criticize them, but actually refuses to take issue with them, preferring to note other similarities between Atom and other characters, as though showing those similarities somehow invalidated the ones that I noted.

[Atoman]

Hey all, looks like Jeffbert beat me to putting up the Mitchy and Atom links, which I was going to do today, but I can still put up the Metropolis link. http://en-f.tezuka.co.jp/manga/sakuhin/m01...11/m011_01.html

To be fair to you Jeffbert, I'll talk about the similarities with Astro and Frankinstien. I do agree that Dr. Baron Von Frankinstein and Dr. Tenma were both similar, being mad scientists, but I'm uncomfortable comparing the murderous monster with our little Atomu, eccept that they were both cast out by there insane fathers. I don't think Tezuka based his Atom on Frankinstien, but he was familiar with the story.
The above pic. is from 60's episode 2, called Colosso in the English dub, but called Frankinstien in Japan and in the manga. It was remade in the 80's and they seem to be spoofs of the Borris Karloff films, not the novel. However, in the current Astro series it was remade again, but this time it was more graphic and grotesque like the novel, showing that it was indeed made up of dead (robot) body parts. In all four versions Astro tames the monster, who's not evil, but crazy.

So please let's not fight, but be friends and agree that Tezuka read alot and was influenced by lots of people, from Fritz Lang, Mary Shelly, Issic Asimov, and Walt Disney. But I think Astro(Atomu) was his own Unique creation that no one can claim but him.

Here's another link, about Tenma:
http://en-f.tezuka.co.jp/studio/character/.../c034/c034.html

[O2Destroyer]

Originally posted by jeffbert@Nov 19 2004, 05:13 AM

Please do not misunderstand my post, The line you quoted was not mine, but Cybotron's critique of my post. I was quoting him, why did you remove the quotation marks?

*nods* I wasn't really paying attention to who said it, rather I wanted to just get at the idea of whether it was even possible that Tezuka had any detailed knowledge of Metropolis--not suggest any individual was right or wrong. I wasn't really following the debate that closely; sorry.

[jeffbert]

Originally posted by Atoman@Nov 18 2004, 10:11 PM
Hey all, looks like Jeffbert beat me to putting up the Mitchy and Atom links, which I was going to do today, but I can still put up the Metropolis link.  http://en-f.tezuka.co.jp/manga/sakuhin/m01...11/m011_01.html

To be fair to you Jeffbert, I'll talk about the similarities with Astro and Frankinstien.  I do agree that Dr. Baron Von Frankinstein and Dr. Tenma were both similar, being mad scientists, but I'm uncomfortable comparing the murderous monster with our little Atomu, eccept that they were both cast out by there insane fathers.  I don't think Tezuka based his Atom on Frankinstien, but he was familiar with the story.

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Why is it that you completely misinterpret my writing? I even went so far as to specifically state that I was not in any way trying to say:
that Tezuka based Atom on Frankenstein's monster.
Or that:
Tezuka based Tenma on Dr. Frankenstein.

Please note: The yellow text is what I did not in any way state, say, or write. The text in yellow represents the things that other people have somehow thought that I either said or meant to say. I completely deny these statements, & only put them here to show what I did not say, but what some think I said. In other words, the yellow text represents stuff that I anm neither saying now, nor ever did I say it. It is stuff that I say that I in no way ever said. " June the 4th, 1973. It was much like any other summer's day in Petersburg, and Ralph Melish, a file clerk at an insurance company, was on his way to work as usual when....(Dramatic music) nothing happened. Scarcly able to believe his eyes, Ralph Melish looked down. But one glance confirmed his suspicions. Behind a bush on the side of the road, there was no severed arm, no dismembered trunk of a man in his late fifties, no head in a bag, nothing...not a sock. For Ralph Melish, this was not to be the start of any trail of events which would not, in no time at all, involve him in neither a tangled knot of suspicion nor any web of lies, which would, had he been not uninvolved, surely have led to no other place than the central criminal court of the old baliff.

(Sound of gavel banging)

But it was not to be. Ralph Melish reached his office in Dallezll Street, Petersburg, at 9:05 am. Exactly the same time as he usually got in.

Secretary: Morning Mr. Melish.

Melish: Morning Enid.

N: Enid, a sharp eyed, clever young girl, who had been with the firm for only 4 weeks, couldn't help noticing the complete absence of tiny but teltale bloodstains on Mr. Melish's clothing. Nor did she notice anything strange in Mr. Melish's behavior that whole morning! Nor the next morning. Nor at any time before or since the entire period she worked with that firm.

M: Have the new paper clips arived Enid?

S: Yes, they're over there Mr. Melish.

N: But for the lack of any untoward circumstances for this young secretary to notice, and the total non-involvement of Mr. Melish in anything illegal. The full weight of the law would have ensured that Ralph Aldis Mellish would have ended up like all who challenge the fundemental laws of our society: in an iron coffin with spikes on the inside."

[Atoman]

Ok, Ok. I think we can both agree that Astro and Frankinstien are similar stories, but in Astro's own words in Astro vs. Atlas "I don't wanna fight you." I come to this site to have a good time and talk about Astro and other Tezuka stuff, but not to argue. I love everyone here, eccept those rude uninvited anti-Astro "guests" that crash our party. <_<
So please let's not fight over this, at least not you and me, ok.

[cloudreed]

Originally posted by Atoman@Nov 19 2004, 02:00 PM
Astro vs. Atlas

[QUOTE] do you know in the 80's astroboy atlas is astro bro (a.k.a little but made big brother) They tell it in one eps when astro and atlas is fighting. i think it was the princess (the one that with atlas) that says it to borth of them. they did not know it, well astro did not know.

[Ochanomizu]

I think Tenma and Dr.Eggman has something in common
he´s a bit mad :
but I like him (after Ochanomizu of course )

[jarvic]

He looks like Keith Emerson or Jon Lord! :wahah:

J

[jeffbert]

Originally posted by Atoman@Nov 19 2004, 12:00 AM
Ok, Ok. I think we can both agree that Astro and Frankinstien are similar stories, but in Astro's own words in Astro vs. Atlas "I don't wanna fight you." I come to this site to have a good time and talk about Astro and other Tezuka stuff, but not to argue. I love everyone here, eccept those rude uninvited anti-Astro "guests" that crash our party. <_<
So please let's not fight over this, at least not you and me, ok.

What? You mean this is not-- is--is-- is this the right room for an argument?

[Danny]

So why do you think Astroboy is like Frankenstein's monster jeffbert?
And Tenma did not base Tenma on Frankenstein! Why do you make these baseless comments!?

sorry.. could not resist..