Astro Pics

[Big Astro Fan]

I think the're awesome. Much better than I could ever do. I envy your ability to draw.

[Dragonrider1227]

Those are all great. I'm not much for the "adult" Astro personally, but they all look great!

[DrFrag]

Originally posted by Xenomage@Mar 30 2004, 09:35 PM
Where did this spring of constructive critisizm suddenly come from? Not that I think I need to be told how to draw Astroboy but if your going to point out inaccuracies dont stop there (Although I thought it was pretty obvious that they were stylized, never intending to be canon accurate).

I don't know if I can claim to know Jeffbert this well, but from my observations I think he only takes time to critique a work if he finds of high enough value to critique!

When I posted that book review on how to draw Astroboy, I actually refrained from suggesting you might find it useful because I already find your work so incredible. Obviously it's not the Tezuka style (as the book teaches), but for the style you've chosen it's consistent and absolutely outstanding. I really like the style you've used for Astro's joints in particular.

And IMO your work is vastly better than Ken Steacy's from NOW Comics in the 80s. Not that I'm suggesting you draw a whole story. Or something. But, you know, if you wanted to or anything, then far be it from me to stop you.

[Haruka-chan]

Originally posted by jeffbert@Mar 31 2004, 02:46 AM
I thought that I did comment upon the joints, but find no such comment. Here it is: your joints are more realistic than the classic joints. They are too simple, but suffice for a kids' show.

You forget Atom doesn't have visible joints in the Tv series/manga because he is covered with the man-made skin! It covers all the joints up so thats why you don't see them

Still i think your style is nice including the joints so i have not a problem with them. Personally i have always tried to emulate Tezuka's style in everything i draw. Be it Atom or my own characters. It's just a style i'm very very drawn (ha ha no pun intended) too and it means a lot to me to replicate it.

[Xenomage]

Actually his joints ARE vivisible in the 80's version. Not in every scene or episode but most.





Or just look through the rest of the 80's pics in this thread. Almost every one has visible joints.

[jeffbert]

Yes Haruka-chan, there is a Santa- er, um, the joints are visible in the 80s series. I am now looking at manga 23 to see if any joints are visible here. I only see shoulder joints so far, but now I see The Beserk Robot that was adapted into the robot vikings in the 80s, and it is just too cute with Atom dressed as a puppy, so foget about joints while I enjoy this story!

[Haruka-chan]

Er well yes.... IF you call THOSE joints.....

Personally i think of them more as folds in the man-made skin like you get wrinkles in where your arms/legs bend as a human. His joints are underneath this skin (that being physical joints in the metal). Look at the first episode when he doesn't have the man-made skin.. all of his joints are visible then...if you call those lines joints then it is very incorrect and there should be a lot more....

As for the manga, lines on his arms and legs aren't usually shown but in a close up you'll see detailed lines on his hands.

I guess that after reading about the man-made skin and watching the first episode i've always thought of his joints as being covered and the man-made skin has the lines drawn on it around the joints. Because all the metal work detail is hidden underneath the skin (they created it to make robots look more human by hiding the joints). But of course you are entitled you your own opinions

Oh and as for Santa, i like to get into the spirit of things I'm always one to live in a fantasy world or believe something that sounds nice even when if i think about it like the logical person i am it makes no sense. Life's more interesting this way sometimes.

[jeffbert]

Er well yes.... IF you call THOSE joints.....

Personally i think of them more as folds in the man-made skin like you get wrinkles in where your arms/legs bend as a human. His joints are underneath this skin (that being physical joints in the metal). Look at the first episode when he doesn't have the man-made skin.. all of his joints are visible then...if you call those lines joints then it is very incorrect and there should be a lot more....

Let us not get too technical over the definition of the word joint. By joints, I meant the place where the arms or legs bend. Nevertheless, if you look at episode #1, you will see that Atom has two skeletons. An indoskeleton and an exoskeleton. Thus his arms and legs, regardless of their inner workings, have Cylindrical exoskeleton parts. These are not flexible. They are coated by soft flexible plastic skin (looks more like a body stocking, but so what?). When he bends his elbow, the indoskeleton contains the electric motors the serve as muscles. Thus, he can theoretically function without either skin or and exoskeleton. However, if these are attached, the exoskeleton must allow the body to flex at that point. Hence, his joints are visible, because while a creature with only an indoskeleton has soft skin and muscles that allow the flexing of a joint to be distributed over a larger area. But Atom's arms are rigid, and the flexing of his joints cannot be distributed over a larger area.

[Xenomage]

Well, even if they are just folds in the skin they are caused by the joints underneath, so essentially the joints are actually visible, if only through the skin.
If the 'folds' were merely that, they would only appear in the crease of a bent limb, but since they are visible all the way around the circumference of a limb that indicates to me they are most definitely caused by the joints underneath. Sometimes Ive seen the joint lines on his fingers too but most of the time they're not drawn.
Anyway I guess its just one of those Astroboy quirks that dont make any sense but we've all come to love anyway (like his hair and his feet).

[DrFrag]

You guys would love Let's Draw Manga Astroboy! It says for the 2003 series they made his head smaller (like the 60s series), removed his joint lines, and added wrinkles to his boots. It looks like they also made his shoulders smaller and his toes bigger.

I'm all for joints. Joints are cool, robotty things. Go joints! B)