Originally posted by cybotron+Aug 21 2004, 09:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cybotron @ Aug 21 2004, 09:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -fafner@Aug 22 2004, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by -cybotron@Aug 21 2004, 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by -fafner@Aug 22 2004, 05:29 AM
[b]So you just want me to fly?

Now I'm awakaned and out of my cave

And obviously yourself accusing people not to understand your statements didn't understand my statement

I had just noticed you successively asserted the existence of something infinite (the net), and asserting in the following sentence (in fact the sequence of the previous) that infinity is unattainable. That seems a self-inconsistent statement to me

And since I am awakened and flying I will continue to haunt a little the area :wahah:
Let's continue the metaphore of the man in the light or the dark shall we

We are all butterflies flying in the dark seeking the Light of Knowledge. So desperate to find it, as soon as we see a light we go and stick to it. But what if this light is not the Light of Knowledge but a Candle? It will merely burn the wings of the poor little naive being

That's exactly why I have defience toward certitudes: if sticking to near, they burn away my wings

The best thing to do is to fly at reasonably distance, see at all angles if this looks like a Candle, and be ready to flee if it is. And since no one knows how to tell the difference between a Candle and a Light of Knowledge, prudence is the rule B)
After all, people asserting to fly around a Light of Knowledge are themselves a light: are they a Candle or a Light of Knowledge? Do you get it Cybotron?
Sure I get it.... The difference between Walt Disney and Jim Jones.... Which really has the light of knowledge? Which has learned his Xmas lesson?

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No you didn't get it
You can do better, try again 
Is there only one Light of Knowledge? Or maybe several? or none? How can we know since the one saying he/she found one is himself/herself an unknown light? 
Originally posted by -cybotron@Aug 21 2004, 11:05 PM
But look at the topic you're posting in. What is my crime?
I am not the one who started this in this topic, remember your own words? 
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I knew that Faf (the dragon) would fly if I said the magic words...
You lurked me into this
Now pay the price
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The problem with man in his rage is that he confuses Jesus with the Euro religion. When did the euro churches ever practice love thy neighbor? Tazuka san crawled out of the ruin of Japan and sought to build a bridge of love and hope to the new generation of the west. He stood on the bridge with his Astroboy and said "Merry xmas" we stood on our side of the bridge and said "Merry Xmas"... We spoke no communist rhetoric, we spoke no "Eye for an eye, we spoke no code of bushido. If not for the Xmasian nations of USA, Britain, and yeah even Russia, the hitlerians would have killed every jew and black person on this planet. Tazuka chose what was good to purge his soul and the world of the evil he had seen in the only logical way. Now we face a foe that has sentenced to death all xmasians, all crusaders, all buddhists, all hindus... And they say God has sent them to do it, and will give us all into their hands as slaves. As I say.." How can a man walking in darkness understand a man that walks in light?" MLK, Ghandi,Florence Nightengale, Churchill, Disney, vs Hitler, Stalin,Lenin,... etc. etc.etc. Which is darkness and which walked in light? The mad and fools hate the light.

See that banner? The enemy... The murderer could be happy in here except for that banner... It irritates him, fills his heart with loathing, angers him, he must destroy it and any waving it. Tazuka san and his artists carried it to the grave. Now we have it.
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I wonder if Hitler would have so hated Jews if it had not been for 2000 years of Christian hatred of Jews? Granted, as it was they were a clearly recognizable segment of the population, that refused to assimilate, even in the face of 2000 years anti-Jewish laws, ect, primarily based upon the idea that they (the Jews) had killed the Savior. Hitler was not the first to herd them into Ghettos, nor to deny them access to professions, nor to deny them the right to own land, for which cause many became bankers; thus throwing fuel upon the fire of hatred. They actually charged interest on the money they lent. Geobbels screamed & ranted about their usury, blaming all of the Germans' (Jews were not considered Germans) problems on them.
Now, as mentioned earlier, even with that history of persecution, the Jews remained different & hence 'other'. They were the
them in the
its us against them. Let us speculate what might have been if not for the 2000 years of persecution:
They would very likely have been spread more evenly accross the professions. Some would have been farmers, had their ancestors not been banned from owning land. Thus, far fewer would have been bankers. Perhaps neither Shakespeare nor Dickens would have made their villians Jews. Thus, perhaps Fagan & Shylock would have done no damage to the Jews' reputation. Thus, while remaining different, they would have not been as closely associated with banking, & hence, Geobbel would have had one less thing to rant about.

But, I digress. Speculation of what might have been
if... is not worth much.