Did you ever find mistakes?

[jeffbert]

Originally posted by fafner+Jun 7 2005, 05:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fafner @ Jun 7 2005, 05:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Astro forever@Jun 7 2005, 07:30 PM
I think Astro has a lot of "antropomorphic bias" set up in his operating system, at the very least to show spontaneous facial expressions.  Maybe they overloaded him!

All robots in Astroboy are antropomorphic: they all are very human-looking, behave usually almost like humans ( even and especially Atlas the human-hater ), feel emotions, and even breath I am sure there are many other examples but I am too tired (lazy) to find a more exhaustive list
I am not sure whether it was intentional to make them so human, but it sure make more evident the racism issue condemned in so many Astroboy episodes. [/b][/quote]
Although the human form is not specialized such that humans are the best at certain physical tsaks such as running, climbing, etc, I think that the human form is the form that allows the best combination of physical abilities. Moreover, there are some tasks that humans do better than other species. Although these are artificial tasks that would be of no benefit in a natual setting, once humans had established themselves at the top of the hierarchy of species, they were able to cultivate these man-made abilities.

My whole point is that Atlas would certainly choose the physical configuration best suited to his goals. The fact that he already had a human form and was acquainted with it likely biased him in favor of retaining it. That, plus the fact that the author made him do it.

One could argue that a robot could have chosen four, six, or even more arms, to better perform complicated tasks. Perhaps he could further argue that a robot would be more pragmatic than a human, and upon contemplation, abandon human form. But even a robot's computer brain has limitations, and that brain would surely be one thing that Atlas would difficult if not impossible to modify while at the same time using it to think. :wahah:

[fafner]

Originally posted by Astro forever+Jun 8 2005, 02:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Astro forever @ Jun 8 2005, 02:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>This is such a nonsense that it just shows how human he is, not only in how he looks but in how he thinks too! Only humans are capable of such contradictions! [/b]

That's what makes me think that: he thinks like a human, he feels the same passions as humans, and exhibits the same inconsistencies

Originally posted by -Astro forever@Jun 8 2005, 02:16 AM
And at last, sorry, but I just couldn't resist! I had to point out the exception to the rule:

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I've always wondered how this [i]arachnomorphic robot could move around in his castle! :wacko:

You think it is not antropomorphic? I think it is
A human-understable expression on the face, recognizable human hands (even if there are too many of them), all these are clearly human shapes
<!--QuoteBegin--jeffbert[/i]@Jun 8 2005, 05:46 AM
Although the human form is not specialized such that humans are the best at certain physical tsaks such as running, climbing, etc, I think that the human form is the form that allows the best combination of physical abilities. Moreover, there are some tasks that humans do better than other species. Although these are artificial tasks that would be of no benefit in a natual setting, once humans had established themselves at the top of the hierarchy of species, they were able to cultivate these man-made abilities.[/quote]
I remember I have read somewhere in a scientific paper that it was very likely that intelligent extraterrestrial beings would be similar to humans: 2 legs, 2 hands, 1 head, 2 eyes, 2 hears, etc. All those attributes were naturally selected and the paper showed that different configurations would most probably not be better. However they did not conclude it was the only possible aspect, only that it was a fair possibility

I was wondering... is the word "antropomorphic" not antropomorphic by itself? After all, it is about humans generalizing with typical human patterns, whereas the generality is an intelligent being generalizing with his/her own patterns. So shouldn't the word be "egomorphism"?

[Astro Forever]

Originally posted by jeffbert+Jun 7 2005, 11:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jeffbert @ Jun 7 2005, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>My whole point is that Atlas would certainly choose the physical configuration best suited to his goals. The fact that he already had a human form and was acquainted with it likely biased him in favor of retaining it. That, plus the fact that the author made him do it.

One could argue that a robot could have chosen four, six, or even more arms, to better perform complicated tasks. Perhaps he could further argue that a robot would be more pragmatic than a human, and upon contemplation, abandon human form. But even a robot's computer brain has limitations, and that brain would surely be one thing that Atlas would difficult if not impossible to modify while at the same time using it to think. :wahah:[/b]

Well I agree with your overall point. However, Atlas didn't need those ultra-defined muscles, for example. That is clearly a cosmetic choice.

I think it makes him easy to size up for the viewer, and for his opponents for that matter. Maybe despite what he says, he cares about what others think of him; he felt more powerful with that look and thought he would be more intimidating that way.

Originally posted by -fafner@Jun 8 2005, 12:35 PM
That's what makes me think that: he thinks like a human, he feels the same passions as humans, and exhibits the same inconsistencies

Yes, I was just elaborating on the same point you made.

In fact, while Astro is the character who displays the most humanistic qualities (maybe with Dr. Elefun), that sets him apart from humans, because he is better than any of them.

Originally posted by -fafner@Jun 8 2005, 12:35 PM
You think it is not antropomorphic? I think it is
A human-understable expression on the face, recognizable human hands (even if there are too many of them), all these are clearly human shapes

You are right.

<!--QuoteBegin--fafner@Jun 8 2005, 12:35 PM
I was wondering... is the word "antropomorphic" not antropomorphic by itself? After all, it is about humans generalizing with typical human patterns, whereas the generality is an intelligent being generalizing with his/her own patterns. So shouldn't the word be "egomorphism"? [/quote]
Yes, I think we could say so.

[Astro Forever]

Originally posted by fafner@Jun 8 2005, 12:35 PM
I remember I have read somewhere in a scientific paper that it was very likely that intelligent extraterrestrial beings would be similar to humans: 2 legs, 2 hands, 1 head, 2 eyes, 2 hears, etc. All those attributes were naturally selected and the paper showed that different configurations would most probably not be better. However they did not conclude it was the only possible aspect, only that it was a fair possibility

BTW, I found that really interesting. Too bad you don't remember where you read it!

Not to mention it would make Galon almost realistic!

[jeffbert]

Originally posted by fafner+Jun 8 2005, 11:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fafner @ Jun 8 2005, 11:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
<!--QuoteBegin--jeffbert@Jun 8 2005, 05:46 AM
Although the human form is not specialized such that humans are the best at certain physical tsaks such as running, climbing, etc, I think that the human form is the form that allows the best combination of physical abilities. Moreover, there are some tasks that humans do better than other species. Although these are artificial tasks that would be of no benefit in a natual setting, once humans had established themselves at the top of the hierarchy of species, they were able to cultivate these man-made abilities.

I remember I have read somewhere in a scientific paper that it was very likely that intelligent extraterrestrial beings would be similar to humans: 2 legs, 2 hands, 1 head, 2 eyes, 2 hears, etc. All those attributes were naturally selected and the paper showed that different configurations would most probably not be better. However they did not conclude it was the only possible aspect, only that it was a fair possibility
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I did not see that article, but if one believes in natural selection, I think it is fairly safe to infer that the human form is what would emerge from the process regardless of on which planet the process takes place. I think I saw something on the Discovery channel about DNA, & how that even a fruit fly has much in common with a human. As one examines creatures more and more advanced than the fly, one sees an increasing genetic similarity to humans. To make something live and sustain its life, it must have certain components and abilities. This is true regardless of its home planet.

[Astro Forever]

Wow, I just watched the black and white "Monster Machine" episode. They made the same mistake... three times! That has to be a record! Astro wore his boots throughout the episode but not here:





I didn't find the episode very entertaining (never a good sign when one watches the time remaining! ), but I did like this quote from Dr. Elefun, speaking of the bad guy that came from another planet called Numan Luman :

"[He] is considered stupid with an IQ of 200. Mine is 138. What does that make me?"

Other doctor: "I'd say you and me both better stay away from Numan Luman."

Astro and Uran started laughing and Elefun didn't seem to appreciate! :wahah: I think that's the first time I've seen any expression of Elefun's ego. Too bad, a few shortcomings like this one make characters more interesting IMO! He may be a little bit naive, but Elefun is too perfect to be really interesting by himself in the other series.

[DrFrag]

Another mistake, I don't think it's been mentioned yet. In Uran Falls in Love when Astro bends Torch's gun around him, the background disappears right in the middle of the action.



In fact it looks like the entire thing was redrawn.

[Astro Forever]

ROTFL!!! I had not even seen it! Most mistakes are barely noticeable. In fact the first two in my previous post went by so quickly that they were hard to see (I think I became more aware of those details since I've started this thread). But this one has to be the biggest and strangest so far, at least to me! I must have been totally mesmerized by the fight!

It looks like only Torch has been redrawn to me though.

[Astro Forever]

These were obviously planned, but since this topic is all about details, I thought they'd fit. In Uran Falls in Love, before Astro gets attacked by Torch and Zeus, we see him turning from the right of the screen, then we follow him as he flies, then he turns again. The exact same cells were used twice for the turns, including the buildings in the background! Strange city!

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Similarly, as the police came to find a Death Balloon and then to arrest Mayor Ballast, the five police cars moved and parked exactly the same way. Yay for recycling!

[DrFrag]

I just realised something odd about The Secret of The Mayas. Astro fights a Sphinx in the end inside the pyramid. But the Sphinx belongs with Egyptian pyramids, not Mayan pyramids.