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What made me think this was the 60s episode "The eyes of christ" where the father gets mad at him and says "If you keep acting like this you are no longer my son" causing Astro to burst into tears bawling. Someone once pointed out that it was like those words reminded him of all the pain he had from Tenma abandoning him and forcing him through Hell in the circus plus possibly fearing his new father was going to do the same.
Think about it. The poor kid was abandoned by his creator and sold to a circus. After said creator went through all this trouble to raise the robot as if he was his own son. Astro honestly believed he was Tenma's father. Then his "father" turns around and says he's nothing but a robot and not his son after criticizing him for something he couldn't even control (not being able to grow) how could the poor kid NOT have some sort of abandonment issue?

"Dragonrider1227" wrote:What made me think this was the 60s episode "The eyes of christ" where the father gets mad at him and says "If you keep acting like this you are no longer my son" causing Astro to burst into tears bawling. Someone once pointed out that it was like those words reminded him of all the pain he had from Tenma abandoning him and forcing him through Hell in the circus plus possibly fearing his new father was going to do the same. Think about it. The poor kid was abandoned by his creator and sold to a circus. After said creator went through all this trouble to raise the robot as if he was his own son. Astro honestly believed he was Tenma's father.Then his "father" turns around and says he's nothing but a robot and not his son after criticizing him for something he couldn't even control (not being able to grow) how could the poor kid NOT have some sort of abandonment issue?

My innocence... SHATTERED FOR EVER!!!

I saw you post this thread over at AIO and I was going to respond over there, but SpaceCookie beat me to it and said basically what I was going to say.

Anyway, he seems very "clingy" in all the versions I see him in. He seems to value all the friends and loved ones he has because he doesn't seem like he wants to loose them. But that's just me judging by personality. Obviously something like that would have an affect on someone. But I think he does just fine. He seems to do fine I guess "hiding it" or moving on.

That's all.

I think Astro *should* have abandonment issues, but he seems well adjusted anyway and still has faith in humans. That's something that moves me. That's one of the reasons I like this character so much.

On the other side, if we think of Atlas (the 1980 one, but perhaps the 2003 version as well), he rebelled in a way that is somewhat understandable...

"Astro Forever" wrote:On the other side, if we think of Atlas (the 1980 one, but perhaps the 2003 version as well), he rebelled in a way that is somewhat understandable...

It's pretty deep huh? That brings well home the fact that Tezuka wanted to portray the Good and Evil in humans through the characters of Astro and Atlas: always justified, never black and white.

"F-Man" wrote:It's pretty deep huh? That brings well home the fact that Tezuka wanted to portray the Good and Evil in humans through the characters of Astro and Atlas: always justified, never black and white.

I would say that Astro, to me, almost seems to be too good to compare to a human. That, or we could say he only has inside him the best humans have to offer. Do you see it differently?

I agree about Atlas, his reaction makes sense considering how he was treated, he eventually displays a few doubts, then changes his mind... he is definitely not black or white.

IDK about you guys but I would deffinatly have abandonment issues if I was shown so much love then pushed away like I ment nothing at all.

"Astro Forever" wrote:[QUOTE=F-Man;164303]It's pretty deep huh? That brings well home the fact that Tezuka wanted to portray the Good and Evil in humans through the characters of Astro and Atlas: always justified, never black and white.

I would say that Astro, to me, almost seems to be too good to compare to a human. That, or we could say he only has inside him the best humans have to offer. Do you see it differently?[/QUOTE]

I think Astro being almost too good is the whole point. Like you said, he shows the side of humans at their best, what they should try to aim for.

"Ataru Moroboshi" wrote:[QUOTE=Dragonrider1227;164284]What made me think this was the 60s episode "The eyes of christ" where the father gets mad at him and says "If you keep acting like this you are no longer my son" causing Astro to burst into tears bawling. Someone once pointed out that it was like those words reminded him of all the pain he had from Tenma abandoning him and forcing him through Hell in the circus plus possibly fearing his new father was going to do the same. Think about it. The poor kid was abandoned by his creator and sold to a circus. After said creator went through all this trouble to raise the robot as if he was his own son. Astro honestly believed he was Tenma's father.Then his "father" turns around and says he's nothing but a robot and not his son after criticizing him for something he couldn't even control (not being able to grow) how could the poor kid NOT have some sort of abandonment issue?

My innocence... SHATTERED FOR EVER!!![/QUOTE]
Oh Snap! I just realized I mis-wrote that. OH well, my point still stands. XD I meant to say that "he actually believed Tenma was his father"

astro was loved, tossed then loved again, atlas was used and abused from the start.

so it is not surprising how astro is a good guy and atlas is so mad at the world.