London bombing

[fafner]

Ok, we spat all we wanted on terrorists. Now maybe it would be a good idea to put that aside and not throw propaganda on the fire. Before considering deciding whether "racial profiling" should be applied or not, we should analyze all the facts through scientific method.

[dannavy85]

The facts are simple....

1.

The palestinians are killing and have been killing Israelis for the past 50 years. Why was it that when the "arab world" held the Golan, the Gaza, The West Bank and the Sinai for 19 years did they not create a Palestinian state?

Simple...they're using the poor Palestinians as brainwashed bullet catching sand bags. They mean nothing to the Arab world. Isn't it a shock that the Jordanians machine gunned hundreds of these people in 1971 or that Syria wiped out 50,000 of them in the village of Hamma in 1985? They don't care.

2.

Arab sponsored terrorism has been the predominant threat in the world since the Iran hostage crisis of 1979, or were most of the incidents of the 1980's and 90's just fiction?

3.

If you'd only take a great deal of time as I had to in my profession of over 20 years to actually sit down and read the great wealth of speeches and materials from the death mongers extolling Islamic terror, you would see for yourself that this is a massive single effort by those who control Islam with guns and terror to export their violence across the world. They have murdered disenting parties, put fear into the minds of the timid in Islam and grown a generation of zelots in sheltered warrens where only their view and fact is law. Sounds familliar right? Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. There were plenty of good Germans and Japanese back then who would have done something if they had only risked their lives for the salvation of the greater numbers...they knew what was coming and they did nothing. Same now with Islam, too many good people....too little action.

4.

One thing is for sure, no matter what you "feel" or what you "believe" these zelot mongers don't care. I'm sure they felt pitty when they slammed planes into people or pulled the rip coards on their chest bombs. Sadly the people of Islam have to be brought to possitive action by seeing the dire threat these maniacs pose to their religion and indeed to the survival of the arab race. It's the same moment that moved Count Von Staffenberg to plant a bomb at Hitler's feet and those few Japanese who risked execution by the Kempitai to try and seek a negotiated peace. If Islam will not act to clean house, some one else will and the results will not be good.

5.

People have made such an issue of racial profiling or the use of internment during World War II, what they have not seen is the documented evidence of those Japanese spies captured red handed with their equipment and notes of intelligence sent back and forth to Tokyo about West Coast military installations, plans for sabotage, plans for murders of officials. An Asian American woman wrote a great book about this two years ago detailing the situation and arguing that internment, while repugnant, was a needed insurance during the first year when the Pacific War went badly for the United States. Do you think any other race was ever not picked on in America or didn't have to prove themselves worth being here?

[cybotron]

I'm sure Faf didn't mean anything contrary Dan. You're military and he's not. Some have have never had any duty except to themselves..
They have no indoctrination or motivation. Relax.
Try to understand the heart of the child.
The Fairies sing of magic swords in the East that will slay the Hydra....
This Weapon is of Qur'anic design. And is classified as a true celestial weapon having power over Iblis satanos in the good cause of Allah. according to the Mamelukes of Allah.

Hollywood... Foundation and Genesis. But behold for yourself the truth of the Prophet..... For is not the sword bathed in heaven?
here's Douglas Fairbanks sr. in the classic "The Thief of Bagdad part 2

Tea with The Queen of England. Her Majesty wishes everyone could live in peace and Love Shirley Temple in "Stowaway"....
.Relax welcome to Hollywood. Watch a film.... Study.

The July 9..._

[fafner]

Originally posted by dannavy85+Jul 30 2005, 10:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dannavy85 @ Jul 30 2005, 10:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>1.

The palestinians are killing and have been killing Israelis for the past 50 years. Why was it that when the "arab world" held the Golan, the Gaza, The West Bank and the Sinai for 19 years did they not create a Palestinian state?

Simple...they're using the poor Palestinians as brainwashed bullet catching sand bags. They mean nothing to the Arab world. Isn't it a shock that the Jordanians machine gunned hundreds of these people in 1971 or that Syria wiped out 50,000 of them in the village of Hamma in 1985? They don't care.[/b]

And why do you think it is so easy to find Palestinians willing to blow themselves up? The whole area is burning since about a hundred years. Palestinian and Jewish peoples are retaliating on each other, generating endless misery and sorrow. About half a century ago, Palestinian people were expelled from their own properties in the name of a god they do not believe in. I am not trying to say they are victims, at least not the bombers: bombers are never victims. But this caused great desper and anger among the Palestinian people, and generated sympathy accross the world and anger and hate against "evil Israel" and then against the "evil Judeo-Christian Western countries". Maybe we would not have crazy suicidal people wandering around if this conflict was taken care of more seriously <_<

Originally posted by -dannavy85@Jul 30 2005, 10:00 PM
2.

Arab sponsored terrorism has been the predominant threat in the world since the Iran hostage crisis of 1979, or were most of the incidents of the 1980's and 90's just fiction?

What I say is that not all terrorism in 80s and 90s is due to Islamism integrism. By checking the facts you would see that although Islamic-related terrorism is far from being neglectable, it does not constitute a clear majority of international terrorism. I gave you an extensive list: classify all the incidents and count them. Good luck for the classification though: must local attacks such as a Palestinian bombing a bus in Israel be classified as Islamist terrorism? If yes, then you must take into account all local attacks by various separatist movements accross the world, many of them not Islamist. More controversial: must Israelian armed aggressions (usually retaliations) be considered terrorism? Some people argue they are, others argue they are not.

Originally posted by -dannavy85@Jul 30 2005, 10:00 PM
3.

If you'd only take a great deal of time as I had to in my profession of over 20 years to actually sit down and read the great wealth of speeches and materials from the death mongers extolling Islamic terror, you would see for yourself that this is a massive single effort by those who control Islam with guns and terror to export their violence across the world. They have murdered disenting parties, put fear into the minds of the timid in Islam and grown a generation of zelots in sheltered warrens where only their view and fact is law. Sounds familliar right? Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. There were plenty of good Germans and Japanese back then who would have done something if they had only risked their lives for the salvation of the greater numbers...they knew what was coming and they did nothing. Same now with Islam, too many good people....too little action.

I admit I did not read such speeches. I only have an idea of what they may talk. But again, scientific method is warning me that speeches from all religions should be compared. I know of Catholic extremists who promise hell for the slightest "non virtuous" act. What is a "virtuous" and "non virtuous" act is left to their appreciation. I sure know that in Dark Ages, most European governments would have made Talibans' government either proud or jealous. Those European governments were not from Islamic branch, they were from Christian branch.
Not to say the "death mongers" shouldn't be taken care of, but again maybe the problem should be solved at the root: if they speak like that, that's because people are listening to them. If people are listening to them, that's because there is too much misery and sorrow.

Originally posted by -dannavy85@Jul 30 2005, 10:00 PM
4.

One thing is for sure, no matter what you "feel" or what you "believe" these zelot mongers don't care. I'm sure they felt pitty when they slammed planes into people or pulled the rip coards on their chest bombs. Sadly the people of Islam have to be brought to possitive action by seeing the dire threat these maniacs pose to their religion and indeed to the survival of the arab race. It's the same moment that moved Count Von Staffenberg to plant a bomb at Hitler's feet and those few Japanese who risked execution by the Kempitai to try and seek a negotiated peace. If Islam will not act to clean house, some one else will and the results will not be good.

I fully agree with you, but maybe you should know that these "positive actions" are already under way. Democracy is taking root, but time is needed. After all, Taliban-like governments of the European Dark Age finally became democracies. Yes it took a few hundred years, but maybe the process may be sped up by assisting instead of "surgically" blowing up bad guys and surrounding people.

Originally posted by -dannavy85@Jul 30 2005, 10:00 PM
5.

People have made such an issue of racial profiling or the use of internment during World War II, what they have not seen is the documented evidence of those Japanese spies captured red handed with their equipment and notes of intelligence sent back and forth to Tokyo about West Coast military installations, plans for sabotage, plans for murders of officials.

I hope you realize what the application of "racial profiling" would cause. This will stigmatize the Arab world: they will think the Western countries consider all of them as terrorists, and this will feed the terrorist organisations even more. Moreover, it is easy for terrorist organizations to circumvent: just "enrol" non-Arabic people and that's it. By the way, if you watched the news recently, you probably know they have alreay begun...
As for internment, so far as it is applied on actual terrorists it shouldn't be a real issue. After all, a trial, be it civilian or military, is for deciding such things. Interned people will pass before a trial, won't they?
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An Asian American woman wrote a great book about this two years ago detailing the situation and arguing that internment, while repugnant, was a needed insurance during the first year when the Pacific War went badly for the United States. Do you think any other race was ever not picked on in America or didn't have to prove themselves worth being here?[/quote]
If you would cite your sources it would be far easier. If you don't know of a website, just dig the Wikipedia, chances are the information is there. At least, give the author's name so someone else may do the search

[cybotron]

Dalek


The future of Cybo-Robotic warfare....
The Jewish Holocaust
Faf your analysis is somewhat shallow.... This war is a direct extension of WW2.
I suggest you start your research here at least.

[fafner]

Originally posted by cybotron@Jul 31 2005, 02:44 AM
This war is a direct extension of WW2.

Yes it is, but it takes it roots deeper too.

Sorry if I am overreacting, but this is a sensitive topic. I just wonder how I would be reacting if I were Muslim :huh:

[cybotron]

Originally posted by fafner+Jul 31 2005, 09:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fafner @ Jul 31 2005, 09:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--cybotron@Jul 31 2005, 02:44 AM
This war is a direct extension of WW2.

Yes it is, but it takes it roots deeper too.

Sorry if I am overreacting, but this is a sensitive topic. I just wonder how I would be reacting if I were Muslim :huh: [/b][/quote]
The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection



Postwar Arab links to the ODESSA network

[fafner]

Originally posted by cybotron@Jul 31 2005, 03:13 AM
The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection

Postwar Arab links to the ODESSA network

For what I know, Muslim Bosnia was not the only one country to cooperate with Nazis. Germany, Italy, France, Poland and other countries in Western Europe contributed to the Nazi war effort by sending troops too, albeit sometimes after military occupation. Those countries populations were mostly Christian (Catholics, Protestants, etc).

[cybotron]

Originally posted by fafner+Jul 31 2005, 06:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fafner @ Jul 31 2005, 06:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--cybotron@Jul 31 2005, 03:13 AM
The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection

Postwar Arab links to the ODESSA network

For what I know, Muslim Bosnia was not the only one country to cooperate with Nazis. Germany, Italy, France, Poland and other countries in Western Europe contributed to the Nazi war effort by sending troops too, albeit sometimes after military occupation. Those countries populations were mostly Christian (Catholics, Protestants, etc). [/b][/quote]
"....The Nazi-Arab connection started by the Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, continued after the war according to Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke writing in Hitler's Priestess: Savitri Devi, the Hindu-Aryan myth, and Neo-Nazism (New York University Press, New York, USA, 1998). The Middle East had emerged as a haven for Nazis fleeing Europe in the 1950s, which had its roots in the anti-British and pro-Nazi attitudes of Vichy Syria, Rashid Ali in Iraq, King Farouk of Egypt and the Mufti of Jerusalem.

Thus, Egypt became like Argentina, a safe-haven for Nazi's fleeing justice and retribution from the Allies in Europe. Goodrick-Clarke states that King Farouk had been "impressed" by his garage mechanics recruited from Afrika Korps POWs, and:

"Wondered what he might achieve with officers from elite units of the Gestapo and SS who had fought so hard against the hated British" (p174).
Thus, a number of "nazi experts" who had escaped the Allied dragnet were hired by the King as military, financial and technical advisers. Although King Farouk was ousted in a military coup in January 1952, the Generals of the Egyptian armed forces were themselves "great admirers" of the Nazi's and "availed themselves of further large-scale imports of ex-Nazi expertise". They were to be helped by the former Luftwaffe ace Hans-Ulrich Rudel, the ex-SS commando Otto Skorzeny (1908-1975) and Eugen Dollman in recruiting "large numbers" of former Nazi fugitives from Argentina for key posts in the new republican regime in Egypt...."
source a report by sean Mac Mathuna

Therefore the struggle on a secular level has a darker foundation. A political foundation rooted in Europe. The Nazi, and the USSR intel and world conquest ops. Schools and technical institutes for the training of cadres and military producing agents of terror that while disguised as islamic based are in fact Nazi and Com intel atheist operatives. This produces the effect of murderers that are merely pretending to be Muslim. The clerics will tell you that no muslim would carry out the acts. And that the Qur'an forbids such acts, and that these people are killing muslims like mad, and working against Islam and it's interests.
What is the SS agenda? The SS is merely a branch of HYDRA.
It's goal is the destruction of the Judeo-Christian world and the enslavement of the earth. Stalanism, Hitlerism, are just operations in the 20th century. Hydra has been around for millenia. Since ancient Greece.