"The Golem" Is this the first Robot movie?

[cybotron]

http://demand1.stream.aol.com/ramgen/turner/gl/tbseurope/toonuk/microsites/robotboy/real/gus_farts_bath.rm
Here is a nice uncensored, freedom of speech, undiluted clip from the Robot Boy tv series...
Full color.. Full rich computer enhanced RED, and Blues... Rich vibrant! Not like the crap print they ran of Astroboy which was intended to fail...
You did'nt even phase or slow us down in the least bit...
No political correctness in it... Pardon the bathing beauty and race mixing please....

Ohhhh. and remember we only made this because Astroboy was sabotaged by some anti Astroboy geeks....
Sabotage this....

[jeffbert]

Although Astroboy was aired in Japan in the evenings, unless I am mistaken, F. Ladd & Co. were under the impression that it was to be a Saturday morning show. Thus, with parents present, some elements were appropriate; however, in their absence, those same elements may have been deemed as inappropriate. A show that was intended for syndication was subject to broadcast at the local station's discretion. I think it does seem inconsistent to show Tobio's demise in #1, but be too squeamish for the narrator to speak of death in #29. However, perhaps the editors felt that to evade the subject in #1 would require too much cutting, while in #29, it was only a matter of the narration.

While Cybotron speaks of Astroboy, there is more than one Astroboy series, & there are several manga styles as well. there were comics written for 1st & 2nd grade students, there were the Shonen (Boys') comics, & there were the newspaper (Chronicles), stories. These categories were very different in their dealings with violence & death. Compare manga vol 23 with vols 6-8. Tezuka himself never wrote Astroboy manga that was targeted at a broad audience, but rather was made interesting & appropriate for the particular readers.

Do not try to tell me that the stories in vol 23 are as violent as those in vols 6-8! nyaah!

In regards to the anime, the three series were designed for broad age groups, but each was made with the values of that present time. The machine guns were dropped not only because they were too old, but probably their location had something to do with it. Likewise the refuelling port was located exclusively inside the chest panel, & before that, the energy cassettes replaced the fuel hose, and its notorious location. Perhaps this was done to accomodate the American audience.

There is no one Astroboy. There are several, & each differs from the others in certain ways & for certain reasons.

[cybotron]

Although Astroboy was aired in Japan in the evenings, unless I am mistaken, F. Ladd & Co. were under the impression that it was to be a Saturday morning show. Thus, with parents present, some elements were appropriate; however, in their absence, those same elements may have been deemed as inappropriate. A show that was intended for syndication was subject to broadcast at the local station's discretion. I think it does seem inconsistent to show Tobio's demise in #1, but be too squeamish for the narrator to speak of death in #29. However, perhaps the editors felt that to evade the subject in #1 would require too much cutting, while in #29, it was only a matter of the narration.

While Cybotron speaks of Astroboy, there is more than one Astroboy series, & there are several manga styles as well. there were comics written for 1st & 2nd grade students, there were the Shonen (Boys') comics, & there were the newspaper (Chronicles), stories. These categories were very different in their dealings with violence & death. Compare manga vol 23 with vols 6-8. Tezuka himself never wrote Astroboy manga that was targeted at a broad audience, but rather was made interesting & appropriate for the particular readers.

Do not try to tell me that the stories in vol 23 are as violent as those in vols 6-8! nyaah!

In regards to the anime, the three series were designed for broad age groups, but each was made with the values of that present time. The machine guns were dropped not only because they were too old, but probably their location had something to do with it. Likewise the refuelling port was located exclusively inside the chest panel, & before that, the energy cassettes replaced the fuel hose, and its notorious location. Perhaps this was done to accomodate the American audience.

There is no one Astroboy. There are several, & each differs from the others in certain ways & for certain reasons.

Mayhap...
But of what relevance?
When the movie comes out? Only a complete void would want to put out an Astroboy movie devoid of Sex and violence and death... And Demons.... From hell.
As I said the battle for control of the Robot Boy continues....

[DrFrag]

Do you see anything positive in the elements of Astroboy that don't contain sex, violence and death? Or is that all you watch it for?

[cybotron]

Do you see anything positive in the elements of Astroboy that don't contain sex, violence and death? Or is that all you watch it for?

Of course....
The life of a boy....
Goverment agent...
Doing his duty....
Fighting villains....
Working with security.....
Myriad messages.... "How to do" info
But it has been compromised.
As I said Astroboy evolved like all good Pokemon....

[fafner]

And as I said who do you think you are? To rewrite the Sensei's intention to suit your own ridiculous agenda? Who are you to overthrow his psychological formulae for your own lamebrained sensibilities?

I throw you back the compliment. When did I say I wanted to reinterpret Tezuka's work? I only spoke about talking about some topics at the correct age for a given audience. You on the other hand, want to see this and that. You are in fact the one to reinterpret Tezuka's work.
Let's take an example you'll like: La grande vadrouille (original article in French). It happens during France's occupation by Germany during WWII. I saw this movie when I was a child, without knowing anything about the atrocities of WWII. When I grew up, and learnt about that, I saw the movie again with a new eye, and could find all the references that I had missed as a child. Do you think it was mandatory for my parents to explain me (as a child) all the atrocities of WWII at the end of the movie, only because there were relations between them and the movie? I learned about that when I had the correct age. No need to rush.

[jeffbert]

[QUOTE=jeffbert]Although Astroboy was aired in Japan in the evenings, unless I am mistaken, F. Ladd & Co. were under the impression that it was to be a Saturday morning show. Thus, with parents present, some elements were appropriate; however, in their absence, those same elements may have been deemed as inappropriate. A show that was intended for syndication was subject to broadcast at the local station's discretion. I think it does seem inconsistent to show Tobio's demise in #1, but be too squeamish for the narrator to speak of death in #29. However, perhaps the editors felt that to evade the subject in #1 would require too much cutting, while in #29, it was only a matter of the narration.

While Cybotron speaks of Astroboy, there is more than one Astroboy series, & there are several manga styles as well. there were comics written for 1st & 2nd grade students, there were the Shonen (Boys') comics, & there were the newspaper (Chronicles), stories. These categories were very different in their dealings with violence & death. Compare manga vol 23 with vols 6-8. Tezuka himself never wrote Astroboy manga that was targeted at a broad audience, but rather was made interesting & appropriate for the particular readers.

Do not try to tell me that the stories in vol 23 are as violent as those in vols 6-8! nyaah!

In regards to the anime, the three series were designed for broad age groups, but each was made with the values of that present time. The machine guns were dropped not only because they were too old, but probably their location had something to do with it. Likewise the refuelling port was located exclusively inside the chest panel, & before that, the energy cassettes replaced the fuel hose, and its notorious location. Perhaps this was done to accomodate the American audience.

There is no one Astroboy. There are several, & each differs from the others in certain ways & for certain reasons.

Mayhap...
But of what relevance?
When the movie comes out? Only a complete void would want to put out an Astroboy movie devoid of Sex and violence and death... And Demons.... From hell.
As I said the battle for control of the Robot Boy continues....[/QUOTE]
I suppose I should know better than to attempt any rational argument with Cybotron. Nevertheless, I will attempt to make clear that I have argued against your position on

1. The idea that there is only 1 Astroboy (series or comic)
2. the appropriateness of content based upon the viewers' age

I have prefaced that by stating the difference between the syndicated vs network broadcast, about which your response (as usual) has nothing to say.

[cybotron]

I suppose I should know better than to attempt any rational argument with Cybotron. Nevertheless, I will attempt to make clear that I have argued against your position on

1. The idea that there is only 1 Astroboy (series or comic)
2. the appropriateness of content based upon the viewers' age

I have prefaced that by stating the difference between the syndicated vs network broadcast, about which your response (as usual) has nothing to say.

Same old jeffbert unable to see the simple truth...
No one at the production end cares what you're talking about.
They need to make an astroboy Anime for today...
To compete in today's market. The phrase "Action Cartoon?" Mean anything to you?
Today, my dear Jeffbert, nothing is being syndicated or even broadcast because people like you ruined it! It departed from the original formalae that the Sensei created for it. The Sensei invented the Action cartoon anime upskirts shot in order to attract boys. The 80's episode could not make the cut into US pop culture.
Perhaps they should break this forum up into a juvenile section, and a serious anime section, that would solve the problem. That way those with Juvenile mentallity, and emotional developtment won't be exposed to discussion concerning the REAL Astroboy.. Which is a product of the ADULT MIND...
When the movie comes out Everything I have said will be verified.....
1. No G rating is possible for an Astroboy cartoon made today!
2. It will be an action cartoon people will die, murdered.
3. Astro will blast everything in sight with advanced violent weapons and atomic punches....
Weak minded PC fops, will complain, the sight of so cute a character beating down, destroying, isn't it a kids cartoon they will say? We will change it to reflect the outward appearance.
We have other resources. We have Robot Boy for right now.... It's being broadcast... You are Kamikazi the nut scientist, the whole show is a Hollywood insider joke about you! Trying to steal Astro so you can REWRITE ASTROBOY, for use in your insane world conquest ops!!!
And you can't see that far! Yet I talk to you clearly... Show you the latest intel... Truth....

You guy's can't even turn the 80's Astro into a pacifist, PC correct powertool.
It's tooooo Violent.
The original made it in America because the Sensei's formulae worked....
Astro is a dead Child, killed in a an auto wreck, his ghost resides in the robot boy.
He is an armed warrior bot that destroys things, and hurts people.
The movie will either move toward violent Japanese Anime or die the death. I fthe producers followed your thinking Astroboy will be ruined at the Sales counter as it is now. Cities on fire! Insane Nazilike death plots....
Demons from hell....

A redisign of Girls in the Astroboy universe to make it more up to date.
just the same as ever. There is no such thing as an Astroboy Cartoon series of anykind whatever where these are not obvious.
Y-7 more likely a Y-14 rating is desired...
According to gossip in HOLLYWOOD, Astro is toooooo Violent in the movie....
They have to stop him from destroying property, he's toooo quick to fight, destroy, deploy his weapons.

[DrFrag]

This thread is locked. Cybotron, if you troll/bait again I will suspend your account.