Thoughts on Deus Ex Human Revolution. Technological development, and augmentations.

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Postby Bigdog » 13 years ago

"jeffbert" wrote:[QUOTE=Bigdog;177556][QUOTE=jeffbert;177245]Hemiparesis is a bit oversimplified, as my problem is one of control. Dr. Strangelove & Ash Williams (in EVIL DEAD II) best exemplify my condition. Both characters were attacked by their own right hands, & had to defend themselves with their left hands. It was funny, but mockery at the same time, & I was both furious and laughing my head off. :D :mad: True, my left side is overall weaker, & thus smaller. It makes buying pants an interesting task, as I must fit them to my larger side. :lol:

I never heard of "Pusher's Syndrome" until you mentioned it; in my case, I lean toward my bad side from the waist. I have recently been trying to sit straight, but I often forget.


Kudos to being strong and enduring 50 years of this so far. :)

So its sorta like involuntary movement like a spasm . Is there any way to get your left side operated on to help with your condition.[/QUOTE]
:cry: I did have neurosurgery about 20 years ago, and it did relieve most of the involuntary movement. But, I was a victim of my own neuroplasticity. While it should have worked for me, and very long ago restored my control over my left side, it did not. I was at least 8 before I had recovered feeling in left arm. But the worst thing was that after that surgery at age 30-33, I noted that the involuntary movement was returning, starting at my fingers and working upward. :cry: As far as I can guess, I had been spastic for so long, that my brain 'thought' this was a normal condition, and that the surgery was damage. :hyo: [/QUOTE]

That's tragic , man. Isn't there a way to trick the brain in accepting the surgical repairs or not ?

:(

It's just horrible there is nothing that could be done about it for the long term, though I do recall a prosthetic that directly connects to the nerves themselves in the base of the arm. That removes the muscle memory from your previous arm but will have to be retrained. But the brain itself needs to be reformed, maybe with hypnosis?

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Postby jeffbert » 13 years ago

Maybe hope in the future, but I am too old. :lol:
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Postby Ghost » 13 years ago

If I remember correctly Jeffbert you're either 53 or 52. Quit whining you've still got plenty of years ahead of you! Early 50s isn't that old, at least not in my book anyway. Mid 60s I think you could say is old, or early 70s.
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Postby jeffbert » 13 years ago

:cry: :cry: boo hoo!
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Postby Bigdog » 13 years ago

"jeffbert" wrote: :cry: :cry: boo hoo!


You're not that old. My Dad and Aunt/Uncle(siblings) are 50 and 53/4 respectively and I don't mind older people. They're easier to talk to since I can barely relate to younger people my age and because I feel like I should be older sometimes due to my preference for older things like Tezuka and authors too. :ninja:

Beats some of the crap shot out today.

In the scheme of things, we are only saplings amidst the eternally changing and surviving universe. :)

@Jeffbert, I'm also Bigdog on the Tezuka in English forums if you want to know.

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Postby jeffbert » 13 years ago

OK.
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Postby Bigdog » 13 years ago

"Androids101" wrote:[QUOTE=Bigdog;176092]I'd embrace it, especially if these augmentations would allow me the power to surpass homo sapiens' limits. But to take a drug for the rest of my life?

Nope.

If they could find a way to make the augmentations work well without them like a perpetual source that spaces out the drug intake by a decade, it would catch on.


I don't know about this one - if you're body is perfectly fine, I really see no reason to change them - even if they're "upgrades" and does your body some good. The drug just makes it worse, and you must take it otherwise you will die. I just don't like the fact that your entire life is depended on this drug - depended on the company that makes the drugs in the first place.

But then, most of the people would gladly trade their body parts, and see no problem with this. Which means the "purists" are not as smart or as strong as the other people - and that can be a significant disadvantage.


I somehow just see the majority of the population taking the easier route - that is, augmentations. I probably wouldn't do so myself. And then there is the problem of are those legends true or false (I'm 99% percent sure they are). Especially with science it just doesn't seem probable, and science is almost always correct as everything we do and understand is based around it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah , the drugs are not the best thing to depend on. What if the company goes out of business and a generic version as strong is not into the market , basically lost?

Since the enhancements and the drug results in utter dependency or death without them , I cannot see how enhancing yourself would be practical or smart if that's the cost. It would catch on like wildfire, but the costs outweigh the benefit of having enhanced body parts as you might as well go cyborg and have cybernetic body parts that can go well beyond any superhuman feats.

There is a huge problem with those legends being valid or not ,especially with the propaganda that is spread from origins in countries such as China who tried to forge a 200 year old man and other health anomalies and pass them as evidence for China being the best country. Then there is the muddying of the difference between fact and fiction in countries where these supposed great feats occurred and scamming by infamous few have made it dubious and questionable.

However, science is a flexible and ever evolving subject that's formal study much like mathematics ,history and politics are relatively new in the West. I don't see science as a static thing which should not be challenged or overturned in spite to new studies that change perspectives. In fact, that notion is like treating it as a religion and in that lies the problem most mainstream scientists and historians face. They try to doubt everything without at least being open to the notion that there are things we as people have barely grasped to understand;it's almost arrogant. Think about the placebo effect and quantum mechanics where studies have said that it is the person's perception of the medicine as healing that affects its overall effectiveness in the long run.

Everything can be explained , but it will take a truly open and scientific mind to find the answers to some of them which they will be seen as a crackpot ,on the fringes... you know the drill. Heliocentrism was persecuted in the 1600's while continental drift and AC power was seen as crazy and dangerous. What we take for granted today was once the dreams of ancient man in their myths and religions and not to get all conspiracy theorist, if man did not somehow have the capacity to develop a high civilization before historically recorded civilization (That I disagree with) , maybe aliens from another world guided us?

If we only have records that extend sparsely at best back to 4000 BC, how can we dismiss that another human civilization as advanced or moreso before existed. Furthermore, since the Library of Alexandria has been burned down and lost to time , there could be a number of advanced technologies we haven't discovered or rediscovered yet. For instance, they have discovered an predecessor of the automobile in a higher class Roman's burial ground while Middle Eastern and Chinese developments in the middle ages advanced and or innovated further than what we know.

I can see science discovering through quantum mechanics things that were once myth and scifi; I want to point out that many of our technologies we have used today are inspired in part or fully by science fiction and religious stories/concepts. Today's science is progressing slowly into what was once the territory of legend. We can induce rain into the dry skies , we can instant message each other , we can have the information of the world at our fingertips and most importantly we can induce fertility, create children outside the womb as well as cure and kill off diseases which kept mankind at a very young age of 40 as elderly. There are many things we do today (and take for granted) which would be dismissed as hogwash or its equivalent take much longer to do so only 20 years ago let alone a century or millennia, so if these things we take advantage of in our daily lives are possible how can anything not be so ?


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