The enduring memory of HJIMS Yamato

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Postby dannavy85 » 21 years ago

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If there's one anime series over the years that I would think best displays an emotional theme in anime, it must be spaceship Yamato aka Star Blazers. It was the first true serial anime in America, certainly one that tracked the complex and ever changing lives of its characters.

For me it was an introduction to Japanese history. Not only wanting to know about the ship the show was centered around but the war in which it was lost. Though in that period of time an enemy combatant, one can respect an entire crew going to their end if but to preserve both nation and principles which they gave the last full measure of divotion for.

The Yamato embarked from her base in Kure with every member of the crew knowing that they could not possibly return and yet when asked to go not one took the option of staying home. In Star Blazers, with the Earth in threat, not one member of the Argo chose to stay home.

Characters actually die in Star Blazers, or seem to die as in the case of Alex Wildstar, no magic cures at the end, no false "everythings fine kids!", Captain Avitar having thrown self to the winds dies in the final episode a step from home. A heroic, and honorable end. In the show there is love, courage, heart, sacrifice, honor and nobility defined.

Of course for the real Yamato there is no future resurection, the remains of the shattered battleship are scattered across the bottom of the Pacific north of Okinawa, a tomb for some 1700 officers and crew but in Spaceship Yamato the memory of their sacrifice and the principles which embody it remain forever living in the memories of the Japanese people...and then some.
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Yep... That's a squid talking. That's a sailor. The common bond between all that go down to the sea in ships. :lol:
The Racist world that produced the Yamato and the murdering militarism that utilized it, and the Eurocentric policy that forced the use of expansion by force of arms from Japan. May that world never rise again... I'm glad they're all gone. I'm glad they all passed away as an evil nightmare of drunken hatred and folly of misunderstanding. Stay drowned. In Davy Jones Locker forever. :wacko:
The ones I feel sorry for are the Teenage Marines that died on the beaches and never even got to smell a girl. And the poor Japanese boys that died on those stupid islands so the surplus population of Japan could be reduced by Black Dragon eugenics. And what really hurts me... The poor kids that died in those paper houses in the firestorms. To hell with battleships. :angry:
Now in this world, the Marines of Japan and America train together under Japanese and American officers. The master warriors of Japan train the Marines of the USA in the secrets of war. The NINJA DO of Tiger Tanaka turns out hybrid Ghost and Shadow Ninja to fight a new war against the Iblis of Mecca. And the world awaits it's fate of evil insane urban suicide warfare.
And there ain't gonna be no naval glory. :wacko:
All salute the Tigers of Armageddon!!! This is your world... The old world is dead. :wahah:
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Postby Danny » 21 years ago

It looks like Series one is getting released On DVD

Locigally, you would think that seasons two and three would follow, right? I guess it would depend on how well this one sells. I really hope all three are released as I would buy them for sure. I was totally in awe of this series when I saw it as a kid. They only played the first two series here in Oz tho.
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Postby dannavy85 » 21 years ago

Might I remind our Marine that the Japanese Imperial Navy was a Western thinking organization that fought with tenacity, honor, discipline and skill not like the disgrace and barbarianism of the Imperial Army. They were our Navy's best adversaries in combat.
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Postby cybotron » 21 years ago

Originally posted by dannavy85@Aug 20 2004, 03:43 AM
Might I remind our Marine that the Japanese Imperial Navy was a Western thinking organization that fought with tenacity, honor, discipline and skill not like the disgrace and barbarianism of the Imperial Army. They were our Navy's best adversaries in combat.

Yes I know.... I was fully briefed on the Pacific Naval ops.
From both sides. The JDF Naval ops will have to take up the security of the South pacific in the evolving war. And the U.S. will be serving on Japanese ships. And there will be joint ops. :D
You know many people are deluded about Japanese American relations. For instance the primary reason the Joint chiefs had Japanese Americans placed in camps was to protect their mistresses from the rascist lynch mobs that terrorized the Blacks. There were no vast lynchings of Japanese americans. While lynchings of blacks ran rampant. But as I say, that world is dead.... The Japanese and the Americans are now allies against a common foe. :D
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Postby jeffbert » 21 years ago

Originally posted by dannavy85@Aug 15 2004, 11:59 PM
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If there's one anime series over the years that I would think best displays an emotional theme in anime, it must be spaceship Yamato aka Star Blazers. It was the first true serial anime in America, certainly one that tracked the complex and ever changing lives of its characters.

For me it was an introduction to Japanese history. Not only wanting to know about the ship the show was centered around but the war in which it was lost. Though in that period of time an enemy combatant, one can respect an entire crew going to their end if but to preserve both nation and principles which they gave the last full measure of divotion for.

The Yamato embarked from her base in Kure with every member of the crew knowing that they could not possibly return and yet when asked to go not one took the option of staying home. In Star Blazers, with the Earth in threat, not one member of the Argo chose to stay home.

Characters actually die in Star Blazers, or seem to die as in the case of Alex Wildstar, no magic cures at the end, no false "everythings fine kids!", Captain Avitar having thrown self to the winds dies in the final episode a step from home. A heroic, and honorable end. In the show there is love, courage, heart, sacrifice, honor and nobility defined.

Of course for the real Yamato there is no future resurection, the remains of the shattered battleship are scattered across the bottom of the Pacific north of Okinawa, a tomb for some 1700 officers and crew but in Spaceship Yamato the memory of their sacrifice and the principles which embody it remain forever living in the memories of the Japanese people...and then some.

I am about to watch disc 5 of Quest for I. While I enjoy the series, I morn the lack of original audio & subtitles.

" The Yamato embarked from her base in Kure with every member of the crew knowing that they could not possibly return and yet when asked to go not one took the option of staying home. In Star Blazers, with the Earth in threat, not one member of the Argo chose to stay home."

While the Soldiers and Sailors in WWII might have had the luxury of beleiving that they colud stay at home & live, the Star Blazers knew that failure to retreive the technology from Iscandar meant death for all living thing on Earth. Risking one's life on the voyage was therefore no more risky than staying on Earth. Moreover, the bad guys lead by Deslock were constantly razing Earth's cities. Therefore, going on the Argo was by far the preferred option.
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Postby jeffbert » 21 years ago

Originally posted by cybotron@Aug 16 2004, 12:15 AM
Yep... That's a squid talking. That's a sailor. The common bond between all that go down to the sea in ships. :lol:
[b]The Racist world that produced the Yamato and the murdering militarism that utilized it, and the Eurocentric policy that forced the use of expansion by force of arms from Japan.
May that world never rise again... I'm glad they're all gone. I'm glad they all passed away as an evil nightmare of drunken hatred and folly of misunderstanding. Stay drowned. In Davy Jones Locker forever. :wacko:
The ones I feel sorry for are the Teenage Marines that died on the beaches and never even got to smell a girl. And the poor Japanese boys that died on those stupid islands so the surplus population of Japan could be reduced by Black Dragon eugenics. And what really hurts me... The poor kids that died in those paper houses in the firestorms. To hell with battleships. :angry:
Now in this world, the Marines of Japan and America train together under Japanese and American officers. The master warriors of Japan train the Marines of the USA in the secrets of war. The NINJA DO of Tiger Tanaka turns out hybrid Ghost and Shadow Ninja to fight a new war against the Iblis of Mecca. And the world awaits it's fate of evil insane urban suicide warfare.
And there ain't gonna be no naval glory. :wacko:
All salute the Tigers of Armageddon!!! This is your world... The old world is dead. :wahah:[/b]

It is interesting to hear you state this. Just 150 or so years prior to WWII, the USA forced its way into Japan, and likewise dictated trading terms with her. The Japanese had heretofore been content to war only amongst themselves; but by this act were made aware of the world around them, and the possibilities for conquest. There was one particular emperor (name eludes me) who modernized Japan, instructing his blacksmiths and sword makers to copy the designs for the weapons that the Americans brought with them. Within a few decades, Japan was well on her way to becoming a world power, and conquering weaker neighboring states, just as the Europeans and Americans had done.

Japan, among the victors of WWI was denied an equal share of the colonial spoils. Moreover, the West tried to limit her naval forces. There were likely other humiliations also, but I know of these off hand. So, when Japan went to expand its colonial holdings by force of arms, just as Britain, France, Italy, Germany, and even the USA, etc, had all done, the US, apparently not liking the Japanese to play the same game of conquest, cut off sales of oil. No doubt racism had something to do with it. Else why support France's attempt to conquer Vietnam? Did they really expect us to believe the French would liberate those whom they had formerly held under colonial rule from the Communist's rule? The Japanese realized that there were islands rich in oil, but that the USA would likely interfere with their bid to conquer them, as they lay closer to the US sphere of influence than those nations Japan had already conquered or begun to conquer.

All this does not lesson the brutality that the Japanese inflicted upon those conquered nations. However, let us not forget that the West had a blood-soaked past, too. It seems that with the modern electronic communications that tyrants are less tolerated than before. Everybody knew about the Khmer Rouge's bloody campaigns against helpless civilians. Likewise, with the Tiananmen Square massacre. The Japanese' atrocities in China, were not widely known until after the fact. But when the Americans drove the Indians off their land, massacred them, even used biological warfare against them (because they had no resistance to the flu) by trading contaminated blankets etc, there was neither such mass communication, nor mass-condemnation. When the US likewise decided that the Hawaiians and the Filipinos were unfit to rule themselves, they stepped in (by force of arms) & deprived them of self-rule.

These things are all quite bad, but let us not remember other nations' faults while conveniently forgetting our own.
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Postby dannavy85 » 21 years ago

But when the Americans drove the Indians off their land, massacred them, even used biological warfare against them (because they had no resistance to the flu) by trading contaminated blankets

Excuse me, that was the British in Florida who did that before people thought about revolting in 1775.
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Postby jeffbert » 21 years ago

Originally posted by dannavy85@Aug 22 2004, 01:12 PM
But when the Americans drove the Indians off their land, massacred them, even used biological warfare against them (because they had no resistance to the flu) by trading contaminated blankets

Excuse me, that was the British in Florida who did that before people thought about revolting in 1775.

I do not claim to be an authority on American history; however, I have studied the subject in college. Regarding the contaminated blankets, my source is the History Channel; yet, I might still be recalling the facts incorrectly. Nevertheless, my point stands: Whites have done some very nasty things, but tend to forget them (which is a tendancy not unique to Whites, though), & instead find fault with others who do much the same things. & as I stated, the former's guilt in no way relieves the latter of guilt. B) It is not as though I am trying to judge history of America or Europe as though it were done by one person, who atrocities in the 19th century should not be forgotten in the 21st. I merely hoped my comments would provoke some thought among the readers; thought that, most nations have some things they would rather forget, but pointing the finger at those who have done likewise in recent times seems hypocritical if they do not at the same time admit that their progenitors also used force of arms to violently take from others what they wanted for themselves. Moreover, adding to this, I would say that then & now, those who committed such acts found some moral justification for them. Whether twisting the sacred texts to find some unlikely interpretation that makes the victims less than human, other than one's neighbors, so they would not be required to love them in any sense of the word, or whatever, those among the oppressors whose consciences were offended at the oppression, salved their consciences with lies.

We ought to condemn those who do such things now, & recently; but pointing the finger to history must itself be balanced by examining one's own national/ethnic history. A lot can change in 50 years: the Japanse took much less time to all but abandon notions of racial superiority that were used to justify these atrocities than the Americans did. ;)
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Postby dannavy85 » 21 years ago

Whites have done some very nasty things, but tend to forget them (which is a tendancy not unique to Whites, though)

Let me remind you of something "college boy", obviously you've sat too long in that Ivy league chair of yours...

Pol Pot was not white.

Stalin wasn't European

Kim Jong Il is not white

Idi Amin was not white

The Taliban freaks who shot women in the head for wearing make up and crushed gays with stone walls are not white.

Tojo wasn't white

Mao wasn't white

Saddam isn't white

Yassir Arafat and his maniac suicide bombers are not white

The men who shot thousands of protestors in Beijing China in 1989 were not white.

Better keep your horse blinder racist thoughts to yourself before you go off on an idiot tangent...."college boy"

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