Would 'Kokoro' robots ever exist?

[Androids101]

I'm not sure where I am on this , but while I would want them to exist and be on an even playing field with humans like us , it just comes off as ....weird.

So many boxes open up that an endless torrent of social, economic and political upheavals would result. With Fear being the domineering factor of mankind's existence , I can see it happening and at a quick pace much like it was in the first few pages of Astroboy V.1. Look at how we have advanced computers so far in such a small range of time. 70 years ago ,they were occupying entire rooms and now are in your pocket ,at your desk and or in your briefcase. Most of these can do roughly the same things and ,OS aside, have an international universal way of doing things.

Once a Prometheus is born , as he or she probably is right now or soon, they will bring the fires that will bring about AI advancement to levels we barely can comprehend today .

Emotion in robots? Emotions can either boost or halt an individual and so would a robot . Terminators had no emotion to speak of and were killing machines so without them, what would be wrong if they have no emotions to speak of? Mind you that morality is powered and enhanced by emotion so without it , the robots would blindly do things and enforce the law without a single tinge of empathy. Sure there would be robots that would fight back , but look at the minorities of today and at the Civil Rights movement. If they have human nature , than they'll be exactly or simliar to us and be stuck to the same irrationalities we face. That or they'll be all Spocks......

How about we work our own problems out as a species before we try anything this stupid . Next thing we need is a Caesar scenario to compound our species' collective stupidity and arrogance. And with fear... I can't envision robots today ,but ones like Astro... if they acted too human then I'll just feel slightly intimidated of their abilities.

Kinda like flying cars, jet packs or exo suits... work the kinks out and advance research on them until it gets somewhat safe to use/interact with.

But basically... cripple the machines with our thought process ,everything that makes us us. That would solve half the problems.

I agree. Sometimes humans have a habit of rushing things a bit too much - for example, introducing cane toads to Australia to keep the pests away, but they end up being the pest themselves, or introducing rabbits here as something for people to shoot at, but they end up multiplying out of control...:

[jeffbert]

As much as I am eager for the appearance of real robots as we know them from scifi, Tezuka's purpose for Atom was not to make him an icon of high tech, but to decry discrimination. Moreover, he too, wondered whether our wisdom could keep up with our inventiveness.

As for me, since I as a mortal am doomed to die anyway, I much prefer to die in the robots Vs. humans war or a cataclysmic meteor impact, or some rather more interesting way than just old age. So, go ahead & make AI robots with kokoro, I'm rather bored! :d evil:

[Bigdog]

[QUOTE=Bigdog;165215]I'm not sure where I am on this , but while I would want them to exist and be on an even playing field with humans like us , it just comes off as ....weird.

So many boxes open up that an endless torrent of social, economic and political upheavals would result. With Fear being the domineering factor of mankind's existence , I can see it happening and at a quick pace much like it was in the first few pages of Astroboy V.1. Look at how we have advanced computers so far in such a small range of time. 70 years ago ,they were occupying entire rooms and now are in your pocket ,at your desk and or in your briefcase. Most of these can do roughly the same things and ,OS aside, have an international universal way of doing things.

Once a Prometheus is born , as he or she probably is right now or soon, they will bring the fires that will bring about AI advancement to levels we barely can comprehend today .

Emotion in robots? Emotions can either boost or halt an individual and so would a robot . Terminators had no emotion to speak of and were killing machines so without them, what would be wrong if they have no emotions to speak of? Mind you that morality is powered and enhanced by emotion so without it , the robots would blindly do things and enforce the law without a single tinge of empathy. Sure there would be robots that would fight back , but look at the minorities of today and at the Civil Rights movement. If they have human nature , than they'll be exactly or simliar to us and be stuck to the same irrationalities we face. That or they'll be all Spocks......

How about we work our own problems out as a species before we try anything this stupid . Next thing we need is a Caesar scenario to compound our species' collective stupidity and arrogance. And with fear... I can't envision robots today ,but ones like Astro... if they acted too human then I'll just feel slightly intimidated of their abilities.

Kinda like flying cars, jet packs or exo suits... work the kinks out and advance research on them until it gets somewhat safe to use/interact with.

But basically... cripple the machines with our thought process ,everything that makes us us. That would solve half the problems.

I agree. Sometimes humans have a habit of rushing things a bit too much - for example, introducing cane toads to Australia to keep the pests away, but they end up being the pest themselves, or introducing rabbits here as something for people to shoot at, but they end up multiplying out of control...: [/QUOTE]
If kokoro robots do come into existence in a rushed state, it will screw every thing up already. We've barely progressed as a species technologically or socially the former due to the massive loss of knowledge that was the burning of the Library of Alexandria and the latter due to religious and ideological doctrines that are narrow minded. Not to bring up any sort of flame war , but from my researching of currently known world history from Mesopotamia down to to our age , it has always been the corruption and abuse of religion to bar advancement or spread fear to prevent future discovery in the West at least because in the East , they advanced far before we did and passed it to us .

The East probably has a problem with it as terrorism /militarism has increased due to the steady collapse of the Middle East and Eastern Eurasia during Mongol rule but overall it's probably a human thing. Had things gone different , who knows if the West would be backwards to an advanced East, but that has only happened in a parallel universe and its just a guess since its so complex.

If kokoro robots happened today, it would be the Transformers scenario on top of the Terminator and Rise of the Apes scenario.

[Dragonrider1227]

I think it's possible but I'm in the middle on if I would really want it to. I think a lot of what happens in Astro Boy would happen in real life. Humans refusing to treat robots properly, robots rebel, possible all out war, it would be a mess.

[Androids101]

I agree! My positives and negatives on this matter:

POSITIVES
- Technology advancement
- Great companions

NEGATIVES
- Discrimination against robots and virse versa
- Fear of robots
- $$$ to build...
- Cybernetic revolt?
- Taking away jobs

Sorry, but the negatives are kinda getting out of control here... :d oh:

(If you're wondering why I haven't even voted yet, its cause I can't make up my mind...)

[jeffbert]

There are some very good uses of robots, though many are performing repetitive tasks and such that bore humans into making errors. A few are going into dangerous environments, though ROBOTS as we know them here would likely not be used as much as remote controlled 'robots.' Nanomachines come to mind, and the FUTURAMA's Parasites Lost (though Dr. Fooler did create a chibi-Atom in COUNT BAT) rather than the actual miniaturization of humans as depicted in Tezuka's Tuberculosis & The Monster on the 38th Parallel, does seem theoretically possible, at least to a certain extent. I do believe that a certain degree of development already exists.

But the humanoid AI robot is another thing, entirely. My brother & I went to the AIR & SPACE museum several years ago, & there was a STAR TREK exhibit there. We were expecting emphasis on high-tech aspects, but found that it was more about the show's social aspects. Posters on the walls linked certain episodes to the civil rights movement, the Vietnam war, and other things. Roddenberry (<-- its in the forum's spell check ) thought that addressing these issues directly would be too controversial; thus, the Klingons = Russains & Romulans = Chinese, etc.

Tezuka no doubt felt that by using robots as metaphors for underclass of humans would allow him to address issues that given the censorship of post war Japan, would otherwise be banned. But this has been going on for centuries. Swift's Gulliver's Travels may seem like a fantasy, but elements in it represented real world people and things. Have you ever read A Modest Proposal? While Swift seems to advocate cannibalism, he uses satire to make other points Analysis. While scifi enthusiasts may read the stories literally, their meanings are much deeper.

[Bigdog]

I agree! My positives and negatives on this matter:

POSITIVES
- Technology advancement
- Great companions

NEGATIVES
- Discrimination against robots and virse versa
- Fear of robots
- $$$ to build...
- Cybernetic revolt?
- Taking away jobs

Sorry, but the negatives are kinda getting out of control here... :d oh:

(If you're wondering why I haven't even voted yet, its cause I can't make up my mind...)

Not to mention in that timeline from reading a bit of Pluto , there are superhumans .

So not only are there a race of machines but super humans receiving the shorter end too kinda like the Xmen.By that understanding ,tack on anything dealing with superhumans ,racism, homophobia and national wars and you pretty much have a society at its breaking point.

And if it's anything like ours, then they are screwed.

I love reading stories , great insight.

[Androids101]

I agree with everyone's posts here. Also, one of the reasons why humanity created robots (and I mean the robots of today), is for work in those areas where it is simply too boring or too dangerous for humans to work in ('robota' means slave labour in Czech). Unfortunately, robots with the ability to think won't find these jobs appealing either, and so a problem starts. As for the jobs which do require people to think, well, those should be left to the humans, as there is a job shortage these days anyway.