The Tolkien Canon and root of the Dwarf King

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Postby cybotron » 9 years ago

It's basis in Magic and enchantments and the Tolkien derivative Thorin Oakenshield.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vamana

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Vamana (Devanagari: वामन, IAST: Vāmana, lit. dwarf) is described in the Puranas as the fifth avatar of Vishnu, and the first incarnation of the Second Age or Treta yuga.

[1] He is the first avatar to appear as a human, although he does appear as a dwarf Brahmin.

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In the fiction of J. R. R. Tolkien, the Dwarves are a race inhabiting the world of Arda, a fictional prehistoric Earth which includes the continent Middle-earth. They appear in his books The Hobbit (1937), The Lord of the Rings (1954–55), the posthumously published The Silmarillion (1977), Unfinished Tales (1980), and The History of Middle-earth series (1983–96), the last three edited by his son and literary executor Christopher Tolkien.

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Since Earthshine invoked the Canon I see no need to NOT freely speak of it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-earth_canon

The term Middle-earth canon, also called Tolkien's canon, is used to loosely define the published writings of J. R. R. Tolkien regarding Middle-earth as a whole. The term is also used in Tolkien fandom to promote, discuss and debate the idea of a consistent fictional canon within a given subset of Tolkien's writings. The terms have been used by reviewers, publishers, scholars, authors and critics such as John Garth,[1] Tom Shippey,[2] Jane Chance[3] and others to describe the published writings of J. R. R. Tolkien on Middle-earth as a whole.[4] Other writers look to the entire body of work of the author as a "Tolkien canon", rather than a subset defined by the fictional "Middle-earth" setting.[5]

Oh its ok. Dear. I would destroy the world for a Dwarf girl. The absolute most beautiful creature I ever saw walking the earth was a Munchkin?

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Skadi A Dwarf Goddess The Dwarves have a beauty that is reflected in the Tolkien Canons. Angels have seen thus Cosmic war broke out over them.
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Postby Earthshine » 9 years ago

Dwarves really are wonderful beings who have suffered great drudgery in Tolkien's legendarium with a history that is very reminiscent of Elves (a long history of repetitive destruction and annihilation of realms and kingdoms) until they are barely clinging to life by the time the events of the third age roll around.

I also particularly like their creator, Aule the smith, who went against Eru's divine (the equivalent of Middle Earth's omnipotent God) will and made them in secret.

They were a race that was at first never intended to exist, and was not designed by Eru as elves, men and hobbits were, but was allowed to. They had a lot stacked up against them and despite that they flourished very well for a long time.

Tolkien himself made a lot of adjustments with them (as he had for almost ALL his races) going from first painting them as typical Nordic folklore did; greedy, evil, ugly to writing them as noble and just with love for the earth and crafts made with hands.

Even by reading The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings you can tell a remarkable difference in the characterizations of dwarves and how the professor handled them, their 'evolution' so to speak.

Tolkien had a habit of altering, changing, editing and rewriting almost everything he put out, had he lived long enough he probably would have completely re-written The Hobbit so that it better aligned with the Middle Earth he had developed by the time he published The Lord of the Rings (and in fact he had, he had re-written the famous Riddles in the Dark chapter so that Bilbo had technically 'stolen' the ring if unintentionally instead of winning it).

One of the (many) things that always however had me a bit miffed concerning the dwarves in Tolkien's works was that much of their history was actually written from the elves' point of view and NOT from their own; so thus there is a lot of history that Tolkien written that may NOT actually be how things accurately happened. Tolkien was aware of these kinds of narrative biases and as a master historian was intrigued in the shaping of lore an history as it passed through culture.

Even so, while the explanation exists it's still something I gripe about.

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Postby cybotron » 9 years ago

The earliest reference to "Ring of power" is in the Vedic or Sanskrit. As I told you The Angels, (ie gods and sub gods in the Hindu, Patriarchs and Angels in the Semitic,) Had seen the coming of Skadi the daughter of the Dwarf god Vamana, and war broke out over her. You will remember, the Fish and the fishermen scene in LOTR? And perhaps Judah forging the Ring of the prophet in the Hebrew scrolls in order to make Love to Tamar? The Ring of Power is thus ancient, and a great magic! Thus the Vedic. from "The source of our knowledge"
https://books.google.com/books?id=X2hBAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA89&lpg=PA89&dq=the+rig+veda+the+ring&source=bl&ots=C9bYEq3pA2&sig=X1zs9MVFwHBCfwF6j9FRsdLVSk0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP9_XWjL7OAhVL5yYKHROEAssQ6AEIJzAE#v=onepage&q=the%20rig%20veda%20the%20ring&f=false
Not less great than*the*admiration for*the*play as a work of art was*the*astonishment at*the*plot, when it was perceived that it is founded on one*of*the,*most universally familiar stories of European folk-lore: that ofthe*lover who, stricken by a wicked spell, forgets his love—whether sweetheart or bride —and recovers his memory of her only on seeing*the*golden*ring*he gave her, and which is brought back to him under a variety of romantic circumstances— sometimes by*the*maiden's or wife's own contrivance, as when she arrives to find him on*the*point of wedding another and manages to have*the ring*dropped into*the*goblet of wine presented him at*the*feast— sometimes by sheer accident.*The*latter is*the*solution adopted by Kalidasa, and—doubly wonderful—*the*accident is*the*same which makes*the*subject of one of*the*best known and most popular stories bequeathed us by Greek antiquity.*The ring*is discovered in*the*stomach of an exceptionally fine fish caught in a stream into which Shakuntala had accidentally dropped it, and*the*fisherman, accused of stealing it, is brought into*the*presence of*the*king for judgment;*the ring*is produced, and,*the*moment it catches*themonarch's eye, he awakes as from a trance and asks for his wife. Now, who does not remember*the*same*ring-and-fish*incident as told by Herodotus in his story of Polykrates,*the*too fortunate tyrant of Samos, who casts into*the*sea his most costly and highly prized*ring,*to propitiate*the*Deity by a voluntary sacrifice, and sees it reappear*the*same night at his table, cut out of*the*body of a huge fish presented to him by*the*fisherman as too fine for any but*the*royal board? There is no love in*the*case, and*the*Greek uses*the*incident to point a moral of his own, but*the*incident itself is there, in both, identical.

and so this hymn from the Rig Veda is known by the scholars.

https://books.google.com/books?id=5-i0AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=the+rig+veda+the+ring&source=bl&ots=KFcrTK2aFD&sig=m3A0ttj9rI0UK1LhSsnxsuLqZAA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP9_XWjL7OAhVL5yYKHROEAssQ6AEINjAJ#v=onepage&q=ring&f=false
see page 177? Remember Sting? Bilbos small sword that glowed? and the Ring and Dagger were given him? Rather he Found the Ring lost by the Fisherman? :tenma:

Gandalf researches the Ancient knowledge to identify the Ring. These are the utmost ancient scrolls. Of Magic and celestial power. Tolkien can only be deciphered by these. In Wagner "The Ring cycle" The Dwarves are Supposed to be analogs or metaphors for the Jews. Since it is King Judah that forges the one true Ring. It is Meme who forges the Ring, and after The death of the hero Sigfreid, the Rhine maiden's or water Goddesses take it back so the Sons of God cannot use it on them.
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