Astro is NOT related to Pinocchio

[cybotron]

Well I wasn't going to expound anymore.... But we come to the power of Ghost or spirit, and it's working in the real world. How can a fantasy work of iconography or a drawing or a prose work have force or weight in biological systems. The spirit that Astro has, transcends the barrier between the living and the imaginary. Astro is a hero, with the magic heroic spirit of the Bodhisattva. He is full of "Empathy", he cares what happens to people. Astro was fed into the "Nursery" of the baby boom, As it were. Some children are attracted to the spirtual light of the heroic.... Others are offended by the spirit of the heroic, and are drawn toward the anti-heroic... We see this today as the popularity of "Thug and pimp culture" permeates pop culture. Out of the same nursery comes the Soldier, the Doctor, the Murderer, and the Saint. They eat the same food they watch the same cartoon... The heroic spirit is "altruistic", the anti-heroic spirit is selfish and anti-social. The "Astro drawing" conveys the spirit of the hero into the psyche. This also is Dharma and Adharma. Tezuka'san gains the Dharma, but the power of the ghost works through Astro. Light, darkness, hero, villain.... We are alive and we desire to be Astro Boy.... To be a hero... We fall short.
Astro is real! We are he, and he is in tune with the harmonic light that we came from and desire to return into. Thus Astro not only has a spirit, but is a spirit, because he embodies the spirit of the all hero boy. This is a magic power of the Dharma of the Bodhisattva "The Isanagi" The August male that invites as the Shinto mystic knows it. The Isanagi spirit invites the child to do good, defend the weak, save the world, be a hero, do right. This is Dharma. A working of the Holy mind in the Iconographic. The sand painting of the Lama. Moving.... Talking.... Tell us a story of angelic virtue vs the demoniac. Teach me the way I should go, and I will try.

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[jeffbert]

His is one of the hero's 1000 faces of which Campbell writes. :wahah:

[DrFrag]

Originally posted by cybotron@Mar 7 2004, 05:19 AM
Well I wasn't going to expound anymore.... But we come to the power of Ghost or spirit, and it's working in the real world. How can a fantasy work of iconography or a drawing or a prose work have force or weight in biological systems. The spirit that Astro has, transcends the barrier between the living and the imaginary.

Ah! I see what you mean now. We have different terminology and meanings to express ourselves. Although our beliefs and pilosophies are a bit different, they are still in the same direction.

When I was in primary school I remember thinking about the different personalities of those around me. Then I thought about adults in society. Some ended up as criminals in jail, and I wondered which ones they were when they were in primary school. Looking around I associated them with the bullies and kids who misbehaved. I didn't want to end up like that, and I didn't wanted to be like them. I thought the kindness of Astroboy was a far better way to live. I had no religious or spiritual or philosophical teaching at this point, it was just a conclusion I came to by looking around me.

So, using the terminology of your beliefs, I was attracted to the path of the Dharma. (I hope I got that right!

I think I understand what you mean by Astroboy having a spirit or ghost. Where I live one of our TV stations has the slogan "The Spirit of South Australia". It's not talking about a sentient non-corporeal living being, it means the attitude and essence of South Australia. Being an Ozzie.
With that definition, I would say Astroboy has a spirit. His essence or representation of goodness.

In my beliefs as a Christian, I would say the ultimate form of this is the Holy Spirit. (without getting into a theological debate on the nature of the Trinity, I'll use the Holy Spirit and Jesus somewhat interchangeably.) Someone mentioned in another thread about the Narnia books and Aslan. I found the same attraction to the attitudes and goodness in Aslan as I did in Astroboy and Jesus. At the time I wasn't a Christian and I didn't realise that Aslan was written as a symbol of Jesus.
There's a great part in the final book of the series where the world ends and all face Aslan to be "judged". Aslan stands at the door to "heaven" and everyone in the world runs towards him. As they approach, they look into his face. Most had never actually seen him before, but they either looked with an immediate expression of love or an expression of hate. Those who looked at him with love ran in through the door. The others disappeared into Aslan's shadow and were never seen again.
I think this is the same kind of thing as what you wrote about some children being attracted to the spiritual light of the heroic (as seen in Astro), while others are offended by it and are drawn to the anti-heroic.

This stuff really makes me think! :huh: B) :wacko:

[cybotron]

:wahah: :wahah: :wahah: Well yes of course... It is hard to transcend ethnicity and realize that Jesus is also Buddha... The enlightner. And that God created us all and we all have the same ultimate Father and Mother... About Aslan.... You already know tooooo much. h34r: h34r: h34r:

[jeffbert]

I think this is the same kind of thing as what you wrote about some children being attracted to the spiritual light of the heroic (as seen in Astro), while others are offended by it and are drawn to the anti-heroic.

Some boys might not like him because he is too good. He has essentailly no ego. He is never motivated by self-interest, except wanting acceptence among others and in regards to curiosity about his past. I think most boys do not like to think of others, they want to look out for #1. Girls are more likely to care for weaker or smaller ones. Boys will not, except if they are both members of a group, or brothers.

[cybotron]

Originally posted by jeffbert@Mar 8 2004, 12:43 AM

Some boys might not like him because he is [b]too good. He has essentailly no ego. He is never motivated by self-interest, except wanting acceptence among others and in regards to curiosity about his past. I think most boys do not like to think of others, they want to look out for #1. Girls are more likely to care for weaker or smaller ones. Boys will not, except if they are both members of a group, or brothers.  [/b]

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We were talking about the impossible magic powers of Dharma(Righteousness) Karma (predestination), and the workings of the Holy spirit in the nursery. Who cares about what some boys or girls think about being "TOOO GOODY GOOD"? heck, even Jesus was too good to live or follow. And he was always in the saloons and with call girls. Good soldiers or bad thugs... The thug is the idol of fools.... Here we are after the actual year 2000 that was always being spoken of in Astroboy in the early 60's, on a computer perfected by NERDS. Or as the thugs called them, sissy's and wimps, and chumps, and "goody two shoes".... And the meek have inherited the Earth, and the thugs have inherited the gutter and the prison house. A living hell.... Drowned in Adharma, (anti-righteousness).... Destroyed by the shadow of Aslan. Give us more Goody Goods. God bless them. And being isolated from the gang in school means you won't be caught up in their suicide and crimes... This also is Dharma and herding. I mean here we are, and Astro is still here.... It's happening now... Astro and Pokemon and cyber heroics... NEW and fresh... Because the spirit renews itself generation after generation in Dharma.... Everyone that fights against Dharma perishes in his own juices because the reborn souls flock toward the light which is Dharma. The spirit of Dharma (Righteousness) is indestructable, and it shall not die out as the would be, wannabe pimp would have you believe in school.... In 30,000 years the same precept as you see in Astro will reign omnipoent and the same ignorant folly will try to convince you in childhood that every hero, and every good thing will perish and chaos and anarchy will inherit the honey drenched hive. And those that cling to Dharma (Righteousness) will watch the ignorant self destruct and sink into dark oblivion. The hero shall always win in the end.
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[cybotron]

Originally posted by jeffbert@Mar 5 2004, 04:27 AM
Nuku Nuku also has kokoro. However, Kokoro has nothing to do with resurrection. A robot that had been deactivated then reactivated does not equal a human that had been dead but was later resurrected. Although, in the new series, reactivation was a bit more than merely flipping the 'on' switch, it was more reminiscent of the first Frankenstein film, than Christ rising from the dead.

In the manga, there was a happy ending to the sad ending of the 60s anime, in which Atom was destroyed by the sun. The manga made a sequel to that story in which aliens found and repaired the melted hero. But repairing a burnt out robot and resurrecting a dead human are two very different things.

However, if you want to see it as echoing your religious beliefs, you should know that Tezuka was a Buddhist, and Astroboy has always reflected Buddhist values. All life is sacred to our little hero.

I think you might find this interesting.... If He were not a believer in it, why would he promote it?
TOMM Tezuka'San archive
Think about it.... And think about what this picture is saying. B) B) B)
This clip is from Tezuka'san's Bible series

[DrFrag]

He also did a manga about Buddha, which was arguably more well known. In any case, Tezuka's message was to love everything that has life and this is something that is central to both Buddhism and Christianity.

[jeffbert]

In my mythology class, I have learned another perspective on the garden story. It is a metaphor for coming of age, leaving the innocence and naivete of childhood in the past, and beginning to see life through an adult's perspective.

[cybotron]

Originally posted by DrFrag@Mar 15 2004, 01:20 PM
He also did a manga about Buddha, which was arguably more well known. In any case, Tezuka's message was to love everything that has life and this is something that is central to both Buddhism and Christianity.

I do believe that this was my original point... That there were obvious Apocalyptic elements in Astroboy, and hidden messages that could only be seen by the initiated... Fused elements of the Buddha and Christ, East and West....
"...And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:...." Rev 10:1

And I said that the iconography of Astro was drawn from here. And someone ran (was it jeffbert?).. saying that Tezuka'San was Buddhist and that Christian ideaforms could not be in the anime. I say again... ALL popular anime extends from Tezuka'San and is based upon "the divine classic"... The stories of God and Heaven vs the Demonic and Hell... Thus
it is Apocalyptic and was designed that way from the start by Tezuka'San.
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