Has this ever happened to you?

[Strange Wings]

Originally posted by Latu@Mar 12 2004, 03:14 PM
what do you mean by if I keep trying it moves away??? :huh:

I mean, if I try to focus this 'floater' in my left eye, it always moves to the side, so I never be able to look at it straight ahead . I know this sounds hard to understand, but I
can't describe it any better .

[snorkyller]

Originally posted by DrFrag@Mar 11 2004, 02:03 AM
I'm so thankful for Australia's health care system when I hear stories like that. Hospital emergency is free here, surgery and operations are free

It's similar here in Canada. Health system is completely public. But public health system isn't perfect. Good for little problem (flu, broken hand, headache, etc) but poor for more complicate problem. And, how could you make sure to receive correct treatment from the doctor?! It's impossible: You don't pay them (it's the governement)!

So, the doctors can decide how much energy they spend for each patient. In my case, they don't seem to be really interrested to spend energy for me 'cause I have an atypical health problem which is really hard to solve. They don't care that my health problem is serious and that I'm young....

I often thought that I would like to give 1000$ to a doctor so he would have the will to find the solution and really work hard for that... Anyway, I lost more then that since I'm sick. So, I could say that if the Canada's health system would be private, like in USA, maybe it would be easier for me.

Finally, I don't believe doctor are heroes, like many people think, 'cause they save lives... It's juste an image... The specialists doctors recently asked to the governement an increase of 60 000 CAN$ in their wages. They already have 160 000 CAN$ a year!!! When I see things like that, I can't imagine how I could see them as heroes...

[jeffbert]

I think a hero is one who risks his life to help others. The stupid American media painted a guy as a hero because he threw a live grenade out the window. Duh! What did they expect him to do? Just sit there while its fuse burned away and it exploded? As it was, he was not the sole-occupant of the vehicle, so now he's a hero. I do not think he thought about saving anyone but himself, when he acted. Jessica Lynch: hero, because she was captured and tortured. I do not even insult myself by watching TV news anymore. Rather than report, they feel they must interpret & analyze, tell us what to think about it! :angry:

<_<

[ozfiz]

the other morning i woke from my sleep.it was pretty early about 3 or 4 in the morning and i swear that i could hear someone saying "hello.. hello" i turned around no one was there, turned back over and it started again. at that i thought i was the boyfriend talking in his sleep like he usually does but it wasnt. i heard the "hello" again then some heavy breathing. i thought that maybe i had rolled on to the phone in bed and accidently called someone, but i hadnt, the "hello" started again.. it only happened when i was facing away from the direction i was sleeping. so i decided to slove the problem by facing where the sound was coming from. i never heard the noise/voice again., it totally freaked me out...

does anyone have any idea what this was... i was complety awake during the whole thing.


p.s just to add on a complety unrelated topic. i got my p-plates today yay just had to share that sorry

[jeffbert]

I am now preparing for a final exam on The biological basis of behavior, and reading the chapter on sleep. In regards to narcolepsy, four symptoms are listed:

• Gradual or sudden attacks of extreme sleepiness.
• Occasional cataplexy--an attack of muscle weakness while awake. This can also be triggered by strong emotions.
• Sleep paralysis--a complete inability to move when falling asleep or waking up.
• Hypnagogic hallucinations--dreamlike experiences that the person has trouble distinguishing from reality.

(Kalat, 2004, p. 280, 281).


"Each of these symptoms can be interpreted as an intrusion of a REM-like state into wakefulness... overactive Acetylcholine synapses" may be resposible for this condition, because this neurotransmitter is sent by certain synapses to the pons, which in turn, "[sends] messages to the spinal cord to supress muscle activity during REM" (281).

Source
Kalat, J. (2004). Biological psychology (8th ed.). Belmont, CA: Thomson Wadsworth.

[DrFrag]

That's really interesting, no wonder they tested me for narcolepsy. Up until now my entire understanding of narcolepsy came from the movie Deuce Bigalo.

Incidently, they were able to determine that I didn't have it by means of a blood test.

At the moment I'm finding my odd dream states leave me with great inspiration for writing.

[fafner]

Originally posted by Latu@Mar 8 2004, 12:20 AM
When I wake up in the morning I'm tired and I have a bad headache (most of the time).

These are usually symptoms of sleep apnea. I'm not sure if the word is correct in English, so I precise what it is: You stop breathing in your sleep for a while

# Gradual or sudden attacks of extreme sleepiness.
# Occasional cataplexy--an attack of muscle weakness while awake. This can also be triggered by strong emotions.
# Sleep paralysis--a complete inability to move when falling asleep or waking up.
# Hypnagogic hallucinations--dreamlike experiences that the person has trouble distinguishing from reality.

Looks like I have one and a half of the symptoms, does that count?
I have symptom 1 and half of symptom 4 since I sometime have kinds of dreams during daytime (and being fully conscient), but I know they are not real ( hopefully ).

[DrFrag]

These are usually symptoms of sleep apnea. I'm not sure if the word is correct in English, so I precise what it is: You stop breathing in your sleep for a while

Yeah, sleep apnoea is when you frequently stop breathing in your sleep. You half wake up, your breathing starts again, then you fall asleep. It stops you getting into a deep sleep so you get tired all the time. It happens to healthy people too, but not as much so they don't get tired.
But dozens of things can cause tiredness and headaches - stress, hangovers, CFS, migraines, spinal arthritis, etc etc. A doctor would need to check this out to know.

Looks like I have one and a half of the symptoms, does that count?
I have symptom 1 and half of symptom 4 since I sometime have kinds of dreams during daytime (and being fully conscient), but I know they are not real ( hopefully ).

Probably not, there are lots of possibilities. I think schizophrenia, extreme tiredness, and some drugs can all do this too. See a doctor if you're worried or if it causes problems. Self-diagnosis isn't ideal, because there are so many things that get overlooked.

[snorkyller]

[b]DrFrag: Is that where you see floating "blobs" on your vision, especially when you look at a blank wall or the sky? [/b]

[b]Louis'74: I mean, if I try to focus this 'floater' in my left eye, it always moves to the side, so I never be able to look at it straight ahead  . I know this sounds hard to understand, but I can't describe it any better  . [/b]

[b]jeffbert: There are drops of blood floating around inside your eyeball, moving in a three-dimensional space. Try viewing the world through a fish tank.  [/b]

What?! Do you mean that these "blobs" are drops of blood in my eyes?!?! :wahah:
I always saw it. I thought that it would be something like tiny dust on the surface of my eyes...

I also always thought that everybody see it and that it's just normal...
Isn't it??? Is it known by the medecine to be abnormal?

About the sleep apnea, I'm precisely thinking that that's the cause of my health problem. I always thought that since 3 years... I FEEL it. I don't need test made by a machine to know it! Unfortunately, doctors don't really believe this 'cause I'm not a typical case of sleep apnea : a snoring old fat man... I'm thin, young and I don't snore... So they don't searching for sleep apnea. But I have an another sleep test this summer (I have to wait so long each test :angry: ) 'cause they saw something wrong with me sleep. They can't miss it forever...

[DrFrag]

Originally posted by snorkyller@May 12 2004, 12:22 PM
What?! Do you mean that these "blobs" are drops of blood in my eyes?!?! :wahah:
I always saw it. I thought that it would be something like tiny dust on the surface of my eyes...

I also always thought that everybody see it and that it's just normal...
Isn't it??? Is it known by the medecine to be abnormal?

Apparently it's abnormal. I've done a bit of reading and the medical name really is Floaters.

http://www.nei.nih.gov/health/floaters/index.htm
http://www.medinfosource.com/expert/exp4022403b.html
http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/sec...apter90/90b.jsp
http://www.medem.com/medlb/article_detaill...G4C&sub_cat=118

I've never really been bothered with them. They went away when I was healthy, came back when I got sick again. I only see them when I look at a blank surface or specifically look for them. They don't hurt or get in the way of anything, and I'm certainly not about to have a retina detatch.

About the sleep apnea, I'm precisely thinking that that's the cause of my health problem. I always thought that since 3 years... I [b]FEEL it. I don't need test made by a machine to know it! Unfortunately, doctors don't really believe this 'cause I'm not a typical case of sleep apnea : a snoring old fat man... I'm thin, young and I don't snore... So they don't searching for sleep apnea. But I have an another sleep test this summer (I have to wait so long each test :angry: ) 'cause they saw something wrong with me sleep. They can't miss it forever... [/b]

(I can't remember if I've covered any of this in previous posts, but I'll write anyway)

I'm also thin, young (relatively) and don't snore. They only picked it up while testing for something else. Apparently it's not unheard of in people like us, just uncommon. I was a borderline moderate/severe case, with 28 choking episodes an hour. My doctor was a little skeptical of the results and I had the test again, and it came back the same. Standard treatment had no results and they didn't seem to mind me giving up on treatment. Diazapam (Vallium) helps me a lot, but it really should do the opposite since it's a muscle relaxant and sleep apnoea is caused by muscles of the throat collapsing. Another mystery.
Personally I don't think I have sleep apnoea, at least not as a primary condition. I have way too many symptoms (50+) and urine bioanalysis indicates Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (which also accounts for all of the symptoms). I slept 22 hours straight last night. That's just not right. I wake up with severe abdominal and lower back pain, like I've been doing sit-ups in my sleep. I set up an infrared video camera and recorded my sleep several times but I didn't see anything strange.

I know what you mean about long waits for sleep testing. My appointments were typically 3-6 months apart. From the initial test to the end of my treatment was over two years. I hope you can get your proper tests done, then at least you'll be able to rule it out or prove the doctors wrong.

A quick question - do you get delayed joint and muscle pain after excercise? Say, about two days afterwards?