The Dragon Lake restoration

[cybotron]

Astro has found a new toy....
Ok... There is only going to be one Dragon Lake video stream... I'm going with the saturated version. .

Here is the remix.... Photon receptor (ie. your eyes) blasting, Cyberpaint enhanced. Sound level doubled. CYBERDELIC version.... Remember the Beast meets his waterloo at the lake of fire. Electronic fire in this case, but that will do....
Dragon Lake 'Cyberdelic photon receptor blasting version" 700kbps real video 10

[cybotron]

Originally posted by cybotron@Aug 24 2004, 05:53 PM

[b]Astro has found a new toy....
Ok... There is only going to be one Dragon Lake video stream... I'm going with the saturated version. .

Here is the remix.... Photon receptor (ie. your eyes) blasting, Cyberpaint enhanced. Sound level doubled. CYBERDELIC version.... Remember the Beast meets his waterloo at the lake of fire. Electronic fire in this case, but that will do....
Dragon Lake 'Cyberdelic photon receptor blasting version" 700kbps real video 10[/b]

Can Astro Overcome The Red Serpent?

[jeffbert]

Originally posted by cybotron@Aug 23 2004, 02:36 PM
They did a good job on the Astroboy broadcast... But the Serpent and the girl have to be "purple and scarlet colour".... This will not change.
this is "http://www.cybotron.com/Cybo_images/astroboy/post.jpg"
"purple and scarlet colour"....

This is NOT "purple and scarlet colour"....

And everyone can see the difference.
He who has eyes, let him see.....
[b]This is The Dragon Lake Trap.....



Cyber Ninja Dageki h34r: h34r: h34r:[/b]

Ok, youse guys, I have located an example of over saturated red:

The red is so strong, that it interferes with the gold lettering. Can you even see any horizontal lines on the letters E or A? I must look very closely to see them.

[fafner]

Originally posted by jeffbert+Aug 23 2004, 08:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jeffbert @ Aug 23 2004, 08:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I hate to do this Fafner, but its the law of the west (as featured in a Droopy Dog cartoon Homesteader Droopy):[/b]

You don't have to hate this, it's not "law of the west", it is called "free speach" As soon as you respect the forum policy there is nothing wrong.
Oh wait... that was my name :wacko: This is a delibarate insult against all policies of this forum ! :angry: Hey admins! throw him/her out of the forum!
<!--QuoteBegin--jeffbert@Aug 23 2004, 08:48 PM
The human eyes actually detect only three hues, red, green, & blue. The cones respond to bands of hues centered upon red or green or blue. The brain discerns between purple and magenta by the amounts that each type of rod or cone responds to the input. If this were not the case, the RGB scheme used by modern electronic displays might be unable to displayall hues recognizable by humans (but the psyc text was rather speculative than definitive here). Regardless, the RGB scheme does use only 3 hues in various combinations to simulate a much larger range of hues. Thus, hues that do not appear red, often contain high values (in terms of % of saturation) of the red component, even higher than others that do appear red. Even though, as you say, the

[b]The first picture shows the RGB value of the color you claim not to be red:
red : 163
green: 71
blue : 58
The second one gives the RGB value of the color you claim to be red:
red : 148
green: 59
blue : 89

Notice that while the red & green components are lower in the second set, than in the first, But the blue is higher.

On my monitor, the red saturation in the marching band is just about as highas possible, without being noticably too high. I would say to let the downloaded raw or fansubbed videos be the judge of what ought to be. [/b][/quote]
Ok, let's put the thing in a neat image. On the left, the "rusty red brown" as described by Cybotron; on the right the clean red according to the same Cybotron.
(163;71;58) (148;59;89)

I won't put any comment so there is no bias introduced.
Well... at least not more

I have seen many flamewars on hot topics on the web, but never I would have thought I would see one about the very definition of the color "red" :wacko: No surprise that flamewars are so common then

[cybotron]

Originally posted by fafner@Aug 25 2004, 01:23 AM
[Ok, let's put the thing in a neat image. On the left, the "rusty red brown" as described by Cybotron; on the right the clean red according to the same Cybotron.
(163;71;58) (148;59;89)

Poor Faf... Color blind. This is Red faf... There is no Red in the jpg you posted....


I won't put any comment so there is no bias introduced.
Well... at least not more

I have seen many flamewars on hot topics on the web, but never I would have thought I would see one about the very definition of the color "red" :wacko: No surprise that flamewars are so common then

please forgive FAF... As you can see by the image he posted he is utterly color blind.

[Strange Wings]

Well, if an ol' lythographic pressman may throw his 2 cnts in:

To me the left field seems more like an uplighted brown, the left one looks like a dark wine-red (bordeaux?) rather than a 'clean' red with a lightwave-length of 650nm.

Originally posted by jeffbert@Aug 24 2004, 04:01 PM

The red is so strong, that it interferes with the gold lettering. Can you even see any horizontal lines on the letters E or A? I must look very closely to see them.

I wouldn't say this red is oversaturated, this IS actually a clean red, however, this red might not be appropriate for pictures showing on a PC-screen. I think the fond-type of the letters in the red background are wrong chosen, that's what makes the fine horizontal lines in the letters disappear. Orange letters on a red background seems to be not very wise too (in a graphical way of sight) .

[fafner]

Originally posted by cybotron+Aug 24 2004, 06:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cybotron @ Aug 24 2004, 06:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -fafner@Aug 25 2004, 01:23 AM
Ok, let's put the thing in a neat image. On the left, the "rusty red brown" as described by Cybotron; on the right the clean red according to the same Cybotron.
(163;71;58) (148;59;89)

Poor Faf... Color blind. This is Red faf... There is no Red in the jpg you posted....[/b]

At last Cybotron! At last you recognize your error
You're right of course, there is no red in my post. I never claimed there was. The left one was this "rusty brown" you criticized. The right one was your own definition of red:
<!--QuoteBegin--Cybotron Aug 23 2004@ 01:36 PM
For Godsake don't adjust your monitor till this crap = red.... These settings or whatever will throw your color off and you'll never get back to real color. This is red... Fire engine red letters... Html red.... Cyber Red!!!! Not what he's showing. After all somebody sabotaged Astro's color. Look at the red portion of the color bars. That serpent should be red... Not rusty brown. you can see his system must be screwd up if he thinks that snake in his picture is red.[/quote]
The analyzes don't lie: the "red" you provided is (148;59;89), the right "red" of my image. If you don't believe me, do the analyzes yourself with photoshop

[cybotron]

You must consider color level and saturation. You cannot go by those numbers alone.

[fafner]

Originally posted by cybotron@Aug 24 2004, 09:57 PM
You must consider color level and saturation. You cannot go by those numbers alone.

What do you mean by color level and saturation? To my knowledge, red, green and blue is sufficent to define a color. Or do you mean your "red" needs 32 bits to appear correctly?

[cybotron]

Originally posted by fafner+Aug 25 2004, 07:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fafner @ Aug 25 2004, 07:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cybotron@Aug 24 2004, 09:57 PM
You must consider color level and saturation. You cannot go by those numbers alone.

What do you mean by color level and saturation? To my knowledge, red, green and blue is sufficent to define a color. Or do you mean your "red" needs 32 bits to appear correctly? [/b][/quote]
First, you're talking about paintshop or editing still jpegs etc. When using Videowave or a video program. HSL, hue saturation and luminance are adjusted. Or simply color level. the image you posted though it registers a large level of red in proportion with the other colors does not equal bright red, but instead is a kind of rusty brown. The Astro tv show was sabotaged by reducing the color level. so it is easy to restore the picture by raising the color level until the serpent is red.