Originally posted by jeffbert+Aug 17 2004, 02:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jeffbert @ Aug 17 2004, 02:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -cybotron@Aug 16 2004, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by -jeffbert@Aug 17 2004, 12:46 AM
[b]Originally posted by -cybotron@Aug 15 2004, 11:59 PM
[b]Originally posted by -jeffbert@Aug 16 2004, 12:39 PM
[b]Originally posted by -cybotron@Aug 15 2004, 10:24 PM
[b]Originally posted by -jeffbert@Aug 16 2004, 06:53 AM
[b] <!--QuoteBegin--cybotron@Aug 15 2004, 02:35 PM
[b] 1. Akira
2.astroboy60's the right Stuff tape#2
3.Disney "The Jungle Book"
4. Ghost in the shell
5.Doomed Megapolis
6. Ninja Scroll
7.Pokemon "The First Movie"
8.Final Fantasy Unlimited ep 18-19-20.
9.Wolf's Rain
10. Pokemon "Jirachi"
11. Fritz the Cat
That's the Vibe as far as I can feel.
Fritz the Cat? I did not think that was anime. [/b]
If Fritz the cat isn't anime, nothing is. I thought you would kick about the Disney.[/b]
Let us first establish what is anime:
Unless I am mistaken, & I am not afraid to admit error, when I have erred, anime is a term for what was once called Japanimation. At any rate, it is animation in the Japanese style. However, if you examine the titles listed in this thread, you will see that as used here, it means animation produced in Japan & in general having a Japanese sound track. You will often see complaints about dubbed titles, English speakers preferring Japanes audio & English subtitles over English dubbed (& edited :angry: ) titles. Thus, we may conclude that the term anime excludes 1. animation produced in Japan, but lacking Japanese sound track, & 2. animation that is not produced in Japan.
I happen to know that neither Frizt the Cat, nor its sequel meet the definition of anime as used in this forum & thread.Even if we allow that English dubbed titles can be anime, Fritz simply does not even meet the broader definition of anime.
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Fritz was a departure from kiddy animation, and even though it was rated X it actually opened the way for serious adult themed cartoons. So I list it here as Anime. The underground animation scene, the underground comic scene and manga have to interface somewhere. It's Pacific rim pop-culture. I stand by Crumb. Fritz is Anime.
No ethnioentric restrictions. Hentai? Perhaps. Hentai is cnnected to Fritz.
But if it is insisted that only animation produced in Japan is Anime.... I will confess my error and redo my list. What will we call the Anime from Korea? And India? And China?[/b]
I watched both of the Fritz cartoons, the thing I best remember was a scene in which Hitler is featured.
In regards to anime, I suppose it is dependant upon what dictionary or whose definition one uses. However, as mentioned before, anime is from Japan. [/b]
Ok jeffbert... Even though Justice league unlimited and Teen Titans, and many more are being made by Seoul and Tokyo animation units and you can clearly see the korean names, I admit my error. But I say if it were not for Bakshi and Fritz, there would never had been any adult Anime like Akira in theatres. Fritz was first. And it's not meant to be funny. It's meant to be true. [/b]
Its the big one! My heart cannot take the strain. Cybotron has admitted being wrong about something!
Lord, lettest now thy servant depart in peace, for I have seen Cybotron's confession of error.
I myself must do likewise, for I didst fail to seest Disney's The Jungle Book amongst Cybotron's list. This was surely not made in Japan; therefore, it cannot be anime. This failure on my part couldest causest some confusion in the camp. Therefore, I repent in sackcloth & ashes, lest the LORD blot out my name from under Heaven (which will likely happen anyway, since I have no son to keep my name after my untimely demise).
[/b][/quote]You go toooo far. I will not remove the jungle book.
