Ahh, you are underestimating the power of mind. :3
You see, artificial intellegence would only be the power to 'creatively' think. Humans do it, why not robots?
By memorising seperate reactions, the robots would begin to 'imitate' humans by reacting the way it has seen people react. Trying to get a positive (or even negitive) reaction would be simple, knowing what makes basic people tick.
Like if you left a human baby with wolves. Assuming the baby does not die from starvation, he or she would begin to imitate the wolves body language.
It wouldn't even be that hard to program. Heil, the only thing I'm worried about is memory space.
If I can help it, robots will, indeed, one day 'think' like humans do.
Would 'Kokoro' robots ever exist?
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I think it will but something like that will probably whipe out the human race because robots aren't stupid anymore than and they also know that there stronger.

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"I-Am-Atom's-Sister" wrote:Ahh, you are underestimating the power of mind. :3
You see, artificial intellegence would only be the power to 'creatively' think. Humans do it, why not robots?
By memorising seperate reactions, the robots would begin to 'imitate' humans by reacting the way it has seen people react. Trying to get a positive (or even negitive) reaction would be simple, knowing what makes basic people tick.
Like if you left a human baby with wolves. Assuming the baby does not die from starvation, he or she would begin to imitate the wolves body language.
It wouldn't even be that hard to program. Heil, the only thing I'm worried about is memory space.
If I can help it, robots will, indeed, one day 'think' like humans do.
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"Tetsuwan Atom" wrote:I think it will but something like that will probably whipe out the human race because robots aren't stupid anymore than and they also know that there stronger.
That's a possibility, but if they mimic humans in the way that they act and think, then they really shouldn't do anything like that. Right now there are many humans that are better than others, so do they go out and attack others who they know aren't better than them physically or mentally, but they are higher up in social status or rank? No, so I don't see the reason why robots would do it either. Even take me for example, I know that I am physically better than some people, but do I attack the people who aren't as smart or as strong who wind up being class president or wind up teaching people something and telling us what to do because they are favored or a little bit more capable than some others? No, I respect them and I think most robots will do the same as long as they are also told what is right from wrong.*
Also, think about people who are handicapped, there are tons of people who are better than them, but do you know what those people do? They assist the handicapped person when help is needed. I believe that robots will do just that when it comes to robots and humans.
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"Astro Boy2866" wrote:Finally, someone who actually agrees. Memory space won't be much of a problem by the time that something like kokoro would be around. We already have memory getting larger and larger and the size of the storage devices are getting smaller and smaller. We now have a couple terabyte hard drives that are as big as a Netbook, but in the past that was just a fantasy and was never thought to be possible.
Also, think about people who are handicapped, there are tons of people who are better than them, but do you know what those people do? They assist the handicapped person when help is needed. I believe that robots will do just that when it comes to robots and humans.
That's good. :3
Also I agree with you there, although I am figuring humans would push it, because of the fact that robots are 'mindless' and therefore cannot be literally hurt. People would try to keep the 'emotion' out of them, thusly, to keep robots from wanting revenge. They'd route against someone building a robot who could feel (or at least imitate) sadness or pain.
Like I'd care

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"I-Am-Atom's-Sister" wrote:"Astro Boy2866" wrote:Finally, someone who actually agrees. Memory space won't be much of a problem by the time that something like kokoro would be around. We already have memory getting larger and larger and the size of the storage devices are getting smaller and smaller. We now have a couple terabyte hard drives that are as big as a Netbook, but in the past that was just a fantasy and was never thought to be possible.
Also, think about people who are handicapped, there are tons of people who are better than them, but do you know what those people do? They assist the handicapped person when help is needed. I believe that robots will do just that when it comes to robots and humans.
That's good. :3
Also I agree with you there, although I am figuring humans would push it, because of the fact that robots are 'mindless' and therefore cannot be literally hurt. People would try to keep the 'emotion' out of them, thusly, to keep robots from wanting revenge. They'd route against someone building a robot who could feel (or at least imitate) sadness or pain.
Like I'd care
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Sure I guess we could, but I would be too busy. I'll send my robot prototype XD
It's true though, even if everyone is against making robots with "feelings", someone will still attempt make one against all other judgement. I would stick to what I believe and I would not let others interfere with my goals and dreams. Everyone is entitled to go after their own dreams if it doesn't have to do with theft, killing, cheating, harm, lying or mistreatment.
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Even assuming that the future holds advances in size reduction & energy storage that we cannot even imagine, it will be very difficult to condense WATSON into a humanoid robot's body, much less, leave room for anything else.
Until we do that, we will need to use very specific ways of speaking to avoid the robots interpreting figures of speech literally.
For the few old ones among us, recall Hymie (of GET SMART) & Yoyo (of HOLMES & YOYO), & Andy (of Quark); hopping around, breaking a leg, etc.
Yes, they will condense a unit of programming into 1 VLSI chip, which as it is now implemented in software occupies a larger space, & this will greatly reduce its need for bulky hardware, but there is a limit.
Beyond that, just as the upper class resents taking orders from the lower, & adults would likewise be miffed at children ordering them around, robots as bosses will meet with great resistance. Think how a military officer feels about taking orders from someone who just started at the academy?
You are a 1 star general; a guy who was a 2nd Lieutenant when you were a Major has been promoted to a 2 star. Are you happy taking orders from him? There are 2 stories in AB dealing with this. 1st ADVENTURE ON MARS, has Dr. Moss appointing Atom mission commander & the Capt. Ketchup resents taking orders from a robot. Robots serve humans; he is offended. Read it or watch it.
Then, I think it is called TRANSPARENT GIANT, Dr. Woods has for years been trying to create a teleportation machine, but eventually gives up in disgust: it cannot be done. But his young assistant, Hanabusa believes it can be done, & eventually succeeds. Woods is furious; this upstart punk whom he himself taught the basics, has now succeeded where Woods had failed.
Humans will resent their toasters telling them to use a lower heat setting; likewise, the govt. is sending people around to coerce people into having *energy saving equipment* attached to their thermostats, for which they will receive some small reduction in $/KW; but many do not realize that when the temperature reaches 100 F, their thermostats will refuse to keep the AC set below 85 F. Once the govt. control is fully implemented, they will curse their thermostats! They will also adjust the thermostats during peak energy usage. Those who signed on to this program will learn how difficult it will be to cancel it.
I do not believe that very many people will embrace robot leaders!

For the few old ones among us, recall Hymie (of GET SMART) & Yoyo (of HOLMES & YOYO), & Andy (of Quark); hopping around, breaking a leg, etc.

Beyond that, just as the upper class resents taking orders from the lower, & adults would likewise be miffed at children ordering them around, robots as bosses will meet with great resistance. Think how a military officer feels about taking orders from someone who just started at the academy?
You are a 1 star general; a guy who was a 2nd Lieutenant when you were a Major has been promoted to a 2 star. Are you happy taking orders from him? There are 2 stories in AB dealing with this. 1st ADVENTURE ON MARS, has Dr. Moss appointing Atom mission commander & the Capt. Ketchup resents taking orders from a robot. Robots serve humans; he is offended. Read it or watch it.
Then, I think it is called TRANSPARENT GIANT, Dr. Woods has for years been trying to create a teleportation machine, but eventually gives up in disgust: it cannot be done. But his young assistant, Hanabusa believes it can be done, & eventually succeeds. Woods is furious; this upstart punk whom he himself taught the basics, has now succeeded where Woods had failed.

Humans will resent their toasters telling them to use a lower heat setting; likewise, the govt. is sending people around to coerce people into having *energy saving equipment* attached to their thermostats, for which they will receive some small reduction in $/KW; but many do not realize that when the temperature reaches 100 F, their thermostats will refuse to keep the AC set below 85 F. Once the govt. control is fully implemented, they will curse their thermostats! They will also adjust the thermostats during peak energy usage. Those who signed on to this program will learn how difficult it will be to cancel it.

I do not believe that very many people will embrace robot leaders!
"Astro Boy2866" wrote:Right now there are many humans that are better than others, so do they go out and attack others who they know aren't better than them physically or mentally, but they are higher up in social status or rank?
In fact, yes that happens, just not all the times. Have a look at various genocides through history: this happens when a part of the population thinks it is better than another part, so some times first part goes on a rampage to kill the other one. However, this doesn't require people to be actually better than other ones, just ones thinking they are (and I'm rather certain that in all instances it was the second option). If at some time truly intelligent robots exist, I'm afraid there will be a genocide either from humans or robots. It might end up with total obliteration of one side, or not; only future will tell.
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"Androids101" wrote:I still believe that if people want them to exist they will exist (its possible, just like its possible to land on the moon), but the major problem is do they want them? Fear is a major problem, and so is robot rights, as well as the price...![]()
Yes, people will want them. There will be people who would definitely go Tenma status and build a robot that surpasses human boundaries and no one would be able to stop the person(s) as long as the resources are plentiful. Fear is a problem for some but not all and even if regular people do not want them, it's mostly up to those creating the robots that really decide whether they want to or not and I'm positive that there will be those that will want to.
I'm not sure where I am on this , but while I would want them to exist and be on an even playing field with humans like us , it just comes off as ....weird.
So many boxes open up that an endless torrent of social, economic and political upheavals would result. With Fear being the domineering factor of mankind's existence , I can see it happening and at a quick pace much like it was in the first few pages of Astroboy V.1. Look at how we have advanced computers so far in such a small range of time. 70 years ago ,they were occupying entire rooms and now are in your pocket ,at your desk and or in your briefcase. Most of these can do roughly the same things and ,OS aside, have an international universal way of doing things.
Once a Prometheus is born , as he or she probably is right now or soon, they will bring the fires that will bring about AI advancement to levels we barely can comprehend today .
Emotion in robots? Emotions can either boost or halt an individual and so would a robot . Terminators had no emotion to speak of and were killing machines so without them, what would be wrong if they have no emotions to speak of? Mind you that morality is powered and enhanced by emotion so without it , the robots would blindly do things and enforce the law without a single tinge of empathy. Sure there would be robots that would fight back , but look at the minorities of today and at the Civil Rights movement. If they have human nature , than they'll be exactly or simliar to us and be stuck to the same irrationalities we face. That or they'll be all Spocks......
How about we work our own problems out as a species before we try anything this stupid . Next thing we need is a Caesar scenario to compound our species' collective stupidity and arrogance. And with fear... I can't envision robots today ,but ones like Astro... if they acted too human then I'll just feel slightly intimidated of their abilities.
Kinda like flying cars, jet packs or exo suits... work the kinks out and advance research on them until it gets somewhat safe to use/interact with.
But basically... cripple the machines with our thought process ,everything that makes us us. That would solve half the problems.
So many boxes open up that an endless torrent of social, economic and political upheavals would result. With Fear being the domineering factor of mankind's existence , I can see it happening and at a quick pace much like it was in the first few pages of Astroboy V.1. Look at how we have advanced computers so far in such a small range of time. 70 years ago ,they were occupying entire rooms and now are in your pocket ,at your desk and or in your briefcase. Most of these can do roughly the same things and ,OS aside, have an international universal way of doing things.
Once a Prometheus is born , as he or she probably is right now or soon, they will bring the fires that will bring about AI advancement to levels we barely can comprehend today .
Emotion in robots? Emotions can either boost or halt an individual and so would a robot . Terminators had no emotion to speak of and were killing machines so without them, what would be wrong if they have no emotions to speak of? Mind you that morality is powered and enhanced by emotion so without it , the robots would blindly do things and enforce the law without a single tinge of empathy. Sure there would be robots that would fight back , but look at the minorities of today and at the Civil Rights movement. If they have human nature , than they'll be exactly or simliar to us and be stuck to the same irrationalities we face. That or they'll be all Spocks......
How about we work our own problems out as a species before we try anything this stupid . Next thing we need is a Caesar scenario to compound our species' collective stupidity and arrogance. And with fear... I can't envision robots today ,but ones like Astro... if they acted too human then I'll just feel slightly intimidated of their abilities.
Kinda like flying cars, jet packs or exo suits... work the kinks out and advance research on them until it gets somewhat safe to use/interact with.
But basically... cripple the machines with our thought process ,everything that makes us us. That would solve half the problems.
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