question about 1963 astroboy bradcasting.

[ASTROBUDDY]

ASTROBUDDY, I cannot recall where or when I saw the map.

your argument for use of this term relies on a universally inclusive definition; if even 1 tiny nation did not take the show, your use of the term is fallacious. I am not arguing against the reasonable assumption that WESTERN HEMISPHERE includes Canada, only that, it cannot be presumed to include all elements. It is usually used only in a general sense. However, I think Ladd probably did use it intending to include Canada, because Canada is a major nation. It should have been rather easy to state that Canada was not among those nations that took the show; I think that if some S American nation was excluded, he would not have been too bothered by the apparent all-inclusive term, as he would have been about Canada.

I am not sure what to make of this. Again I believe Mr. Ladd's intent was obvious. Of course this arguement is moot because the original Astro Boy series did in fact air in Canada in the 1960s as well as 1970s.

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[Astro Forever]

So, I believe that is proof positve that the original "Astro Boy" series did in fact air in Canada in the 1960s.

Interestingly, I've just read Yuusha Senshi Godaiger's article; look at the map he put in his article (which is right from the manga). If Tezuka paid attention to details, it would mean that Astro Boy did air in Canada! I doubt very much there was a French version however; I know forums dedicated to old shows and saw nothing about the 1963 series.

[ASTROBUDDY]

[QUOTE=ASTROBUDDY;193971]So, I believe that is proof positve that the original "Astro Boy" series did in fact air in Canada in the 1960s.

Interestingly, I've just read Yuusha Senshi Godaiger's article; look at the map he put in his article (which is right from the manga). If Tezuka paid attention to details, it would mean that Astro Boy did air in Canada! I doubt very much there was a French version however; I know forums dedicated to old shows and saw nothing about the 1963 series.[/QUOTE]

Here is a quote from the TezukaOsamu.net website:
"September 7 1963:
"Astro Boy", renamed from "Tetsuwan Atom," is first broadcasted by the American national network, NBC. It is subsequently broadcast on television in the United Kingdom, France, West Germany, Australia, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, the Philippines, and other countries. (tezukaosamu.net/en/about/1960/html)

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[Astro Forever]

Yes, I should have said it like this: "I doubt very much the show aired in French in Canada." That's what I meant, because I have a feeling I would know it by now.

[ASTROBUDDY]

Yes, I should have said it like this: "I doubt very much the show aired in French in Canada." That's what I meant, because I have a feeling I would know it by now.

Hey, Astro Forever! Did it ever occur to you that since the show was dubbed into French, that maybe it was aired in French in Canada?

I don't know how old you are, but if you are saying you are old enough to remember the sixties, did it ever occur to you that just because you do not remember seeing the show, that does not mean it did not air in French in Canada.

I will give you an example, I never saw an episode of "Space Giants" during my youth, but others have told me that it did air in the US, back in the sixties. There are many people who believe that the 1980s Astroboy did not air in the US, when I have clearly shown that it did. Also the 2003 Astro Boy series while not too popular in the US in English, on Spanish language stations airing in the US, the show was quite popular.

So while we do not currently have positive proof that the show aired in French Canada, we do not have any positive proof that it did not.

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[jeffbert]

[QUOTE=jeffbert;194038]ASTROBUDDY, I cannot recall where or when I saw the map.

your argument for use of this term relies on a universally inclusive definition; if even 1 tiny nation did not take the show, your use of the term is fallacious. I am not arguing against the reasonable assumption that WESTERN HEMISPHERE includes Canada, only that, it cannot be presumed to include all elements. It is usually used only in a general sense. However, I think Ladd probably did use it intending to include Canada, because Canada is a major nation. It should have been rather easy to state that Canada was not among those nations that took the show; I think that if some S American nation was excluded, he would not have been too bothered by the apparent all-inclusive term, as he would have been about Canada.

I am not sure what to make of this. Again I believe Mr. Ladd's intent was obvious. Of course this arguement is moot because the original Astro Boy series did in fact air in Canada in the 1960s as well as 1970s.

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Now that you mention it, I could have omitted the whole thing, with little if any loss.

[Astro Forever]

Hey, Astro Forever! Did it ever occur to you that since the show was dubbed into French, that maybe it was aired in French in Canada?

Yes. Oh, and I wasn't born yet in the sixties!

So while we do not currently have positive proof that the show aired in French Canada, we do not have any positive proof that it did not.

Yes I agree; I didn't say I knew for sure, only that I had doubts because I have seen references to every possible children TV show that ever aired here, or so it seems, and the only Astro Boy references were about the 1980 series. I would be really surprised if it had aired yet had remained so unnoticed, but it is not impossible. I could probably ask specifically about it.

[strobe_z]

I'm pretty sure the answer to the original question of whether or not the 1960's Astro Boy series aired in Canada is yes... On NBC. I'm not old enough to remember the 1960's, but I remember the 1970's (vaguely). If the question is if it was licensed and broadcast on a Canadian broadcaster, I think the answer is no.

At the time the only choices would've been CBC and a fledgling CTV. I'm pretty sure as a government sponsored broadcaster, CBC was too busy fulfilling its "Canadian content" mandate and providing its own children's programming. CTV might have been able to, but I'm not sure they'd have had the money necessarily.

A large portion of Canadians live well within range of American broadcasters (took me years to figure out where Spokane, WA actually was!), and the first television broadcasts in Canada were picked up from NBC, CBS, and ABC before CBC got its start. Before cable tv there was no way to block the American shows (with American commercials), so I'm pretty sure neither CBC or (more likely) CTV tried to compete with the same shows.

I can't really speak for the French broadcasts, Radio Canada may have broadcast a French dub.

[F-Man]

Call me highly skeptical if you want, but even with TO.net saying it was broadcast in France, I'm taking that with a huge grain of salt. They could be mistaken with the 80's series. Even if it did air, it might have been in English.

EDIT: Or how about Galaxy Boy Troop, Tezuka's second television series, having apparently been distributed to France with subtitles?

[AprilSeven]

Well guys, I WAS there in the sixties, and I know I could watch Astro Boy on stations from Connecticut and Philadelphia (beyond New York), and sometimes we could pull in signals from Canada (presumably Montreal, the closest major city), so even if Astro Boy wasn't offered "officially" by the Canadian broadcasters, an argument can be made that anyone reasonably close to the US border could pull in the program from their antennas (and yes, I remember those things too!). So I'm sure most of the population of Canada could pull in Astro Boy from either New York, Boston, Detroit or Chicago (and I'm presuming Seattle)

@ F-Man == HUH?? I never heard of "Galaxy Boy Troop" but I just looked at your link and nearly flipped out! There's Atom with his big brown eyes, and Mustachio too! Holy cow, I had no idea he created this!! Was this around the same time as "Super Car" and "Fireball XL5??" I LOVED those shows (Diver Dan, too). Look at how he combined animation with puppetry!! WHO KNEW?? I need to know more about THIS!!