Do you believe in ghosts?

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Do you believe in ghosts?

Yes
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No
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Postby AprilSeven » 13 years ago

Alittleacorn makes a good point - ghosts happen "out of the blue" - that's why those "Ghost Adventure" shows on TV never prove anything (you can't "demand" a paranormal experience).

I also feel that not everyone has the same ability to sense/see/hear the presence of a ghost - just as some people are color blind, and others can see "auras" around people, and some folks are "tone deaf" while others have "perfect pitch."

If this ghostly energy is not generally perceived in our sensory plain, that might explain why proof such as a photograph/recording doesn't exist. In much the same way dogs can hear a high-pitched sound that we can't - I think some humans are able to see/hear/feel/interact with ghosts, whereas most of us remain peacefully unaware of their presence. Personally, I'd rather NOT be aware of them! :cry:

I just wish science would admit to there being "something" there instead of insisting it is our "imagination." :mad:
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Postby Tetsuwan Atom » 13 years ago

There might be something as Ghostst how knows ? i actually once saw a photo the creeped me out it was a car driving to a funeral with the person that was supose to be dead in the back the photo was in Black and White so no one could confirm it but still :eek:
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Postby Gemstone2474 » 13 years ago

i forgot to mention this in my last post but once when i was 5 months old my family stayed at an old lighthouse keepers house(we do that a lot). And my parents told me that at night i would "talk to the ghosts"(make baby gargles which i didn't normal do). Now, they don't belive in ghost, and just say that as a joke, but...
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Postby Astro Forever » 13 years ago

"AprilSeven" wrote:I just wish science would admit to there being "something" there instead of insisting it is our "imagination." :mad:

As far as I know, science has yet to prove that ghosts are for real, but it hasn't proven either that ghosts did not exist.

Also, just because something can't be explained or proven today doesn't mean that it will never be, or that there isn't a real and perfectly logical reason behind it that we don't happen to understand at this time.

I can't speak from experience since I have not encountered any. But anyway, in general, I don't need definite answers, I can accept that we don't know everything. I doubt very much that we are so advanced technologically that nothing escapes us, that's for sure. :cool:

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Postby fafner » 13 years ago

"Alittleacorn" wrote:Let's put it like this, say you tell a friend 'I saw a white cat outside my house' more than likely, you're friend will believe you. If you say however 'I saw an alien outside my house' your friend might be unsure on that and want proof. Just ways it goes o.o

As they say, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs". Of course a cat being outside is rather common, while a ghost on the other hand... :p

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"AprilSeven" wrote:I also feel that not everyone has the same ability to sense/see/hear the presence of a ghost - just as some people are color blind, and others can see "auras" around people, and some folks are "tone deaf" while others have "perfect pitch."

If this ghostly energy is not generally perceived in our sensory plain, that might explain why proof such as a photograph/recording doesn't exist. In much the same way dogs can hear a high-pitched sound that we can't - I think some humans are able to see/hear/feel/interact with ghosts, whereas most of us remain peacefully unaware of their presence. Personally, I'd rather NOT be aware of them! :cry:

Ghosts (if they exist) might emmit light in unusual waves, ones usually invisible to most humans. Interestingly, women sometimes have tetrachromacy, which is the ability to see 4 primary colors instead of 3, enabling them to see colors that don't really exist to most people. I'm not sure how this would allow them to see things that are invisible as it usually allows to see different colors where there already exist some, but there might be a variation in invisible light spectrum (such as infrared of ultraviolet; bees for example can see ultraviolet but not red).

I just wish science would admit to there being "something" there instead of insisting it is our "imagination." :mad:

The truly scientific approach is to experiment a phenomenom. If it can't be measured, then it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it means that "we don't know". Most people however don't like this "I don't know" thing, so will say that if it can't be seen, then it doesn't exist.



I am among the ones who voted "no" without hesitation. I simply don't believe in ghosts. Nevertheless AprilSeven, I deeply regret living so far from you because I really have a urge to come and put a ton of measure instruments to study your ghost apparitions :D
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Postby AprilSeven » 13 years ago

@Fafner - That idea of tetrachromacy is interesting, and piqued my curiosity because I've also seen "auras" on or around peole and things - sometimes it's like a color covering the exposed areas of their skin, other times a "glow" around their whole body (usually most visibile against a light background).

I have a feeling it's probably also tied into our ability to link to our "animal" selves - and here's where Uran's character comes in. I've had enough pets of different species to recognize when they are "sending a message" like "i want to go outdoors" or "I'm hungry" . . . so having her special power the ability to freely communicate back and forth with animals (or, as in "Pluto" ANY creature frightened or in pain) hints at the real possibility that being able to discern colors, sounds, "messages" could be a very real experience, but we haven't found the technology to provide "hard proof" any of it exists (which is what Astro Forever is suggesting).

I have to say, it IS a distraction - so really, to NOT be aware of illogical, unexplainable things seems to be a real blessing! :lol: But yes, I'd LOVE to have some testing done in a few of the buildings I've been in and heard about!

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Postby Novacain » 13 years ago

When I was a small child, I was made aware that Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy didn't exist. Had my parents not told me, perhaps I would still believe in both. That doesn't make them more real...

However, that's not my point - and I realize it's a bad comparison to say the least. My point is that perhaps we are taught at a young age that drawing 'auras' around people isn't 'right'. That doesn't make them less valid. But as a cynic I choose to believe that ghosts do not exist.

Years ago a friend of mine insisted that his home was 'haunted' and all the paranormal activity took place in his young daughter's bedroom. He claimed that there were voices, knocking sounds and that toys would make sounds without being cranked, not to mention be strategically placed to be looking at the door of the room when you walked in. I never experienced any of these phenomenons, but I was there the day that he had decided to have experts take readings of his home. The team took readings in 20 minute intervals, and not much occurred. But like April said, you can't demand a personal experience. Of the many hours spent with the investigators, the only thing that happened was knocking sounds from the basement - even though there was no one there (mind you this was a very old house) and at 3 am - which superstitious people consider to be 'deadtime', two alley cats decided it was a good time to scrap and did - rolling into the front door of the house and scaring the crap out of everyone there.

After investigating, the team decided that there was 'something' in this home, but I wasn't convinced. At best, all I will say is that as kids we are taught to stop believing in certain things, such as ol' saint nick, and to quit drawing strange colours around people in our artwork. Maybe ghosts do exist but we can't see them anymore. (which is possibly why all the 'phenomena' occurred in the little girl's bedroom). When I voted no, it was my opinion, and that's it. Every one has the right to one. It doesn't mean that no one else can 'believe' or should have to defend why they do.
"AprilSeven" wrote:The two big "G" mysteries: ghosts and God!! :cool: :lol:

I also used to believe in the latter, but someone close to me chose to take their life. The consequences rumored as a result made me lose faith, because I refuse to believe that this could happen to someone I love that much. (again, just my opinion).

To sum it up, perhaps if Hollywood didn't make movies, such as Paranormal Activity, which in my opinion mocks the unknown, phenomenon's such as poltergeists wouldn't be so easily dismissed, either.

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Postby AtomXKoisuru » 13 years ago

see, in my oppinion, gosts are just beings whome have either, unfinished buisness, or a score to settle.( ooh... and have you ever noticed, Zack from Gost Adventures styles his hair kinda like Astroboy...?) .//w//.
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Postby Unhurdof » 13 years ago

"Do you believe in ghosts?"

I answered no, but anything is possible, and I can't prove whether they do or not.

I guess the real question is 'how do you define a ghost?'

Like Carl Sagan, and Fafner said, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." ;)

If a ghost is interpreted as the energy that leaves our bodies when our natural life ends, then maybe they do exist. Einstein said "energy is neither created nor destroyed, only transferred." The "ghost theory" complies with this law of nature.

Also, perhaps when the energy that drives our bodies during our natural life is transferred at the end of our life cycle, who's to say that sometimes a dimension isn't either lost or gained, and that we simply can't interact with it in our three dimensional world, and that the energy's interaction with our world is limited?

Check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnURElCzGc0

I've never personally seen any evidence or proof that ghosts exist, but again, anything's possible. :cool:

We may never know for sure if they exist or not, but the good news is no one can prove you wrong if you think they do. ;)

Cheers. :)
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Postby Astro Forever » 13 years ago

"Unhurdof" wrote:I guess the real question is 'how do you define a ghost?'

I had thought of that as well, everybody could have his own definition of what a ghost is. An apparition could be the result of a phenomenon outside to the person who saw it, yet not be attributable to a ghost in the way most people think of them. Or we could choose to believe in ghosts if only for the reasons you mentioned, for example (I find your hypotheses interesting BTW, I had never thought of it this way!) without necessarily linking them to any specific occurence of an apparition.


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