Remembering Feb 9, 1989

[Dragonrider1227]

Originally posted by Guest+Jun 29 2004, 11:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Guest @ Jun 29 2004, 11:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--dannavy85@Jun 29 2004, 06:27 AM
BTW, in the USA, Tezuka's passing barely rated

Of course, he wasn't Walt Disney. Boy they played up Walt's death as if he was some Great man. Sorry for the personal opinion but two sleezy tourist traps, a life of self-megalomania and pathetic copy cat animations that lack orriginal thinking don't rate Disney anything more than a can of cow chips.

Tezuka earned his respect.

my thoughts exacty., it's a damn shame how the Japanese though try to compare the great Tezuka to walt disney, tezuka was not all about positive story lines an everything ending happily ever after (without consecquences), he did the real deal, Astro Boy over mickey mouse any day of the week



you guys remember disney's lion king, way to rip off Kimba, guys [/b][/quote]
Hey. the only way The Lion King was a rip-off of Kimba was the main character's name. Nothing else. Also, Walt was cool! Maybe he didn't have the same writing technique as Tezuka and I certainly would compare Tezuka to him, but Walt Disney was cool. But this comes from a guy from a family of disney fans.

[fafner]

Originally posted by Dragonrider1227+Jun 29 2004, 09:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dragonrider1227 @ Jun 29 2004, 09:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -Guest@Jun 29 2004, 11:42 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--dannavy85@Jun 29 2004, 06:27 AM
[b] BTW, in the USA, Tezuka's passing barely rated

Of course, he wasn't Walt Disney. Boy they played up Walt's death as if he was some Great man. Sorry for the personal opinion but two sleezy tourist traps, a life of self-megalomania and pathetic copy cat animations that lack orriginal thinking don't rate Disney anything more than a can of cow chips.

Tezuka earned his respect.

my thoughts exacty., it's a damn shame how the Japanese though try to compare the great Tezuka to walt disney, tezuka was not all about positive story lines an everything ending happily ever after (without consecquences), he did the real deal, Astro Boy over mickey mouse any day of the week



you guys remember disney's lion king, way to rip off Kimba, guys [/b]

Hey. the only way The Lion King was a rip-off of Kimba was the main character's name. Nothing else. Also, Walt was cool! Maybe he didn't have the same writing technique as Tezuka and I certainly would compare Tezuka to him, but Walt Disney was cool. But this comes from a guy from a family of disney fans.[/b][/quote]
Sorry to interrupt, but I want to precise a thing or two...
I see you discussing about the Lion King, saying it could have been ripped off by Walt Disney. Whether it is true or not, the fact is that Walt Disney didn't rip off the Lion King. Because he was dead a very long time ago
I have the impression that you confuse Walt Disney, and Walt Disney Studios. Although these studios were created by Walt Disney himself, he is not in charge anymore for obvious reasons, many other people are now doing the work.
So if you want to speak about the Lion King or recent movies, speak about Walt Disney Studios.
If you want to speak about Walt Disney, go back to White Snow

Anyway, if only one of Tezuka or Disney should have existed and I had to choose, it would be Tezuka of course Walt Disney was not bad in my opinion, but he is not the one who created Astro

[cybotron]

Originally posted by fafner+Jun 30 2004, 04:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fafner @ Jun 30 2004, 04:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -Dragonrider1227@Jun 29 2004, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by -Guest@Jun 29 2004, 11:42 AM
[b] <!--QuoteBegin--dannavy85@Jun 29 2004, 06:27 AM
[b] BTW, in the USA, Tezuka's passing barely rated

Of course, he wasn't Walt Disney. Boy they played up Walt's death as if he was some Great man. Sorry for the personal opinion but two sleezy tourist traps, a life of self-megalomania and pathetic copy cat animations that lack orriginal thinking don't rate Disney anything more than a can of cow chips.

Tezuka earned his respect.

my thoughts exacty., it's a damn shame how the Japanese though try to compare the great Tezuka to walt disney, tezuka was not all about positive story lines an everything ending happily ever after (without consecquences), he did the real deal, Astro Boy over mickey mouse any day of the week



you guys remember disney's lion king, way to rip off Kimba, guys [/b]

Hey. the only way The Lion King was a rip-off of Kimba was the main character's name. Nothing else. Also, Walt was cool! Maybe he didn't have the same writing technique as Tezuka and I certainly would compare Tezuka to him, but Walt Disney was cool. But this comes from a guy from a family of disney fans.[/b]

Sorry to interrupt, but I want to precise a thing or two...
I see you discussing about the Lion King, saying it could have been ripped off by Walt Disney. Whether it is true or not, the fact is that Walt Disney didn't rip off the Lion King. Because he was dead a very long time ago
I have the impression that you confuse Walt Disney, and Walt Disney Studios. Although these studios were created by Walt Disney himself, he is not in charge anymore for obvious reasons, many other people are now doing the work.
So if you want to speak about the Lion King or recent movies, speak about Walt Disney Studios.
If you want to speak about Walt Disney, go back to White Snow

Anyway, if only one of Tezuka or Disney should have existed and I had to choose, it would be Tezuka of course Walt Disney was not bad in my opinion, but he is not the one who created Astro [/b][/quote]
Preposterous.... "The Rats in the walls" H.P. Lovecraft. The Mouseketeers were evolved into Astroboy.
Disney Reigned.


Astro idenity crisis..... Data stream.

[dannavy85]

I think the biggest difference between Walt Disney and Tezuka was that Tezuka was able to continue living a simple uncluttered life while Disney became drowned in self-obsessive mega-mania. I remember when Tezuka would come to the San Diego Comic Convention and spend hours drawing astroboy and kimba sketches for fans and not ask for a single dime. Fred Schodt, who was Tezuka's American translator, said he had to almost pull the man off his chair to keep a schedule because he enjoyed being around people.



Sure Disney has their big amusement parks but what makes a better legacy? A big fat collection of rides that leaves people pocket raped or a museum that educates and promotes the common virtues of all mankind?

I see Tezuka's legacy outlasting Walts a hundred years from now.

[cybotron]

Originally posted by dannavy85@Jun 30 2004, 07:12 AM
I think the biggest difference between Walt Disney and Tezuka was that Tezuka was able to continue living a simple uncluttered life while Disney became drowned in self-obsessive mega-mania. I remember when Tezuka would come to the San Diego Comic Convention and spend hours drawing astroboy and kimba sketches for fans and not ask for a single dime. Fred Schodt, who was Tezuka's American translator, said he had to almost pull the man off his chair to keep a schedule because he enjoyed being around people.

     

       Sure Disney has their big amusement parks but what makes a better legacy? A big fat collection of rides that leaves people pocket raped or a museum that educates and promotes the common virtues of all mankind?

      I see Tezuka's legacy outlasting Walts a hundred years from now.

Walt Disney had survived WWII.... Had been the cornerstone of allied propaganda. And was given the task of raising the children of the post war dream. once TV was in place, it was possible through the force of TV to crosspollinate the new geopoliticus child. Disney held absolute sway... Through the NAB. Tezuka was his agent. An agent of Disney's scheme to turn the world into cartoon land. A little Mothra, A little Inishiro Honda. And a little Astroboy and east would meet West in the Teacup ride...

[jeffbert]

Originally posted by Dragonrider1227+Jun 29 2004, 03:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dragonrider1227 @ Jun 29 2004, 03:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -Guest@Jun 29 2004, 11:42 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--dannavy85@Jun 29 2004, 06:27 AM
[b] BTW, in the USA, Tezuka's passing barely rated

Of course, he wasn't Walt Disney. Boy they played up Walt's death as if he was some Great man. Sorry for the personal opinion but two sleezy tourist traps, a life of self-megalomania and pathetic copy cat animations that lack orriginal thinking don't rate Disney anything more than a can of cow chips.

Tezuka earned his respect.

my thoughts exacty., it's a damn shame how the Japanese though try to compare the great Tezuka to walt disney, tezuka was not all about positive story lines an everything ending happily ever after (without consecquences), he did the real deal, Astro Boy over mickey mouse any day of the week



you guys remember disney's lion king, way to rip off Kimba, guys [/b]

Hey. the only way The Lion King was a rip-off of Kimba was the main character's name. Nothing else. Also, Walt was cool! Maybe he didn't have the same writing technique as Tezuka and I certainly would compare Tezuka to him, but Walt Disney was cool. But this comes from a guy from a family of disney fans.[/b][/quote]
I heard that there were at least four elements that the Disney people borrowed from Jungle Emperor. The name was not one of them. 'Simba' is Swaheli for 'lion'. Because of this, the American team looked for a unique name, one that could be legally protected. Hence, 'Kimba'. One of the things I remember, was the father lion in the cloud. That was a big-time rip-off of JU. I think I saw some of this stuff in a search for "Fred Ladd," but I know that much of it was found elsewhere. I should mention that Tezuka himself stated that Jungle Emperor was inspired by 'Bambi'.

Tezuka & Disney represent different cultures. In the West, parents shield their young children from knowlwdge of death. I believe the Asains do not share this opinion. Tezuka therefore wanted to show the life-cycle in Jungle Emperor; he dealt with some issues that Disney would not have presented to family audiences. Hence, I do not fault Disney for the values he presented, any attempt to show heavy stuff, would likely have been rejected by the viewers. His chioce to portray only positive things, was appropriate for the time and culture of that time. B)

[dannavy85]

Tezuka I think must have been heavily influenced by the war, you know he was almost killed in the 1945 fire bombing of Osaka. He was running to his air raid shelter from the factory he was working in as a teenager when he forgot he'd left his art supplies behind on a bench. He went back to grab them and by the time he got to the shelter those inside had been sufficated by the heat of the fire bombs sucking the oxygen out of the covered ditch.

Tezuka had a universal hate of war and displeasure with military life in general, perhaps as a military man he is the only anti-warrior I have respect for, since he shared his disgust equally to his own countrymen for the out of control ravages in Aisa that led them to their own destruction.

But Tezuka doesn't leave out the concept of justice against truely evil individuals or correction of those who's goals are not evil but their execution towards those goals lack moral/ethical judgement.

The man was amazingly clear headed and far reaching in his time, Tetsuwan Atom embraced the issue of racism and Civil Rights when it was in its infancy in America. Emperor Leo embraced "responsible enviromentalism" and 3 Adolfs is a magnificent and open air triumph about the influences of racism, war, hate and violence on humanity.

You have to admit that even after Walt's passing in the late 1960's, Disney was slow to take on a shift in the traditional Disney norms. Lion King was the first time we saw a parent's actual dead body in a Disney film, that was historic. And who were the animators? The same Generation X'rs who watched Tezuka's animation in the 60's. If indeed they copied his work then it's the highest flattery the man could have wished for.

[otaku]

realy that hapind?
ohh god he is my idol
but he dead ayear before i was born]
i realy wanted to know him what kind of guy he was
i have also heard that he was a doctor *based upon blackjack*
but even in his studyies he drawd asrto kimba co..
i also have heard that he actaly created
THE TREE LAWS OF ROBOT
yes he did that no kinding
and after astroboy more and more people
starting to create things about the future
and not only he got a lot of sense of humor
they should make a movie about osamu tezuka`s life..

[dannavy85]

they should make a movie about osamu tezuka`s life..

D : I wonder why they wouldn't? You read this comic biography and he was so non-traditional as a Japanese for the time period he grew up in. His parents were non-traditionalist. It would make a wonderful movie.

He wasn't very healthy in his early life and he was always a target of bullies but he did know how to draw and create at an early age, some of his writings at 7 years old stunned his school teachers.

He was a plain and simple man, kind to his fans, energetic and hard working right up to the end. what a wonderful life.

[otaku]

good who should play osamu? :huh: