Originally posted by jeffbert+Jul 10 2004, 05:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jeffbert @ Jul 10 2004, 05:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -cybotron@Jul 9 2004, 03:20 PM
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[b] I really don't know anything about the Vietnam war, but I know that war is wrong. I think thats what Tezuka tried to say. Did Vietnam attack America? Did America ever get nuked? I think those answers are no. I could understand that Tezuka would show America as the bully and war monger. I think Tezuka just wanted to show how awful war is and make you think.
War is not allways wrong.... If you are a jew freed from Aushwitz, a black freed from slavery, even Jesus wages war in Dharma... Abraham freed Lot by war.... You peace at any price hypocrits make me sick. No decent person would sit on his ass while the Nazi terror ravishes the world. War is the only way sometimes. The L.A peace press loved Manson. Just stop.
this is the fate of the Hero that slew the dragon.
This is the fate of the vets that won the war against the Red Dragon.... This is their fate at the hands of this evil and ungrateful rebellious people.
What hero did they not betray? Just stop.... Goaway... You have your satanic rockers, your pimps and thugs... Leave us to die in peace. Leave the vietnam vets alone. Go listen to Axle Rose sing Manson songs or whatever.[/b]
Hindsight is 20-20. Until Pearl Harbor, Americans for the most part, were content to let Europe deal with its own problems. They saw the loss of American life & limb in WWI, and had no desire to repeat it.
Before the Nazis were killing Jews, several attempts at emmigration were made. However, they were turned away from anywhere they fled, and forced to return to Europe. Nobody belived Hitler's political testiment as expressed in Mein Kampf. Few Americans cared that Jewsy were being denied employment, evicted from their homes, packed like sardines into cattle cars, and shipped to slave-labor camps. It was not our (USA's) problem. Better them, than us.
I agree that some wars- or rather participation in certain wars by certain parties is justified (note the punctuation, cybotron, when one changes the subject in mid-sentence, one ends the abandoned thought with the hyphen, not the elipsis B) ). However, as was already stated, hindsight is 20-20. If we knew that the dissolving of the USSR would result in WMDs falling into terrorists' hands, or even the possibility of it, would we have sought to end the USSR? If we further knew that it would also mean drastic cuts in military forces, from entire fleets of ships, to army divisions by the score, would we have wanted to end it? If RR knew that we would only be trading one huge and rather predictible enemy for many small & radical ones that had no fixed map coordinates, would he have pursued the same policy?
The idea that the USA is always good & right is simply absurd. The ex-Europeans conquered the whole thing, forcibly taking it from the militarily weaker and tribally fragmented inhabitants. How many Indians suffered similar fates to those whom you mourn? True, the numbers are smaller, yet, the percetage is much higher. Do not misunderstand me, I love America, I would not want to live under any other system, it is clearly the best; however, I am not blind to its bad moments in history. B) [/b][/quote]
These things are relative... The treatment by the Aussies of the Aborigines. The treatment of the africans by England and europeans. What? This is now. At my grammer again, eh? Thanks i'll remember. RR is a stooge who's policies we are now paying the price for. But this is the Astroboy in me. :wahah:
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