The Death of Sigfried "The Gotterdamerung"

[fafner]

Originally posted by cybotron+Jul 22 2004, 11:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cybotron @ Jul 22 2004, 11:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>That's all I will say on the subject of the magic Ring.. Green lantern, Gandalf, whatever. :wahah: Go watch a movie.[/b]

Go watch a movie? I have already seen the 3 of them at least twice each, and read the entire novells 3 times Despite of this I don't see how Gandalf is an agent of the government, and not even which government he is an agent of

[i]Originally posted by Jeffbert@
According to Black's Law Dictionary, the man who bears the king's signet, can act as though he were the king. Thus, Joseph having Pharoah's ring, possessed his authority.

I knew that seals where used as an strong authentication in middle and ancient ages. But not being a specialist in the matter I didn't make the link between rings, seals and authority. This is indeed a great power B)
But according to what I understand such rings only give authority, not supernatural powers as the Ring of Power

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Where does a government agent's loyalty lies? You seems to answer that the loyalty belongs to God, but that does not look convincing for me. Let's go back to Gandalf: you said he is an agent of the government, but you weren't clear to which government. According to what you said, Gandalf's loyalty would then belongs to God? Which God? I don't see any in the Lord of the Rings
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This one is really hard May I remind Cybotron that my question is not about the Ring of Power, but about Gandalf who have refused the ring from Bilbo and Frodo ?

[cybotron]

'.... knew that seals where used as an strong authentication in middle and ancient ages. But not being a specialist in the matter I didn't make the link between rings, seals and authority. This is indeed a great power
But according to what I understand such rings only give authority, not supernatural powers as the Ring of Power ...."


The pseudo rings do have power, look at the world. They are invisable to common sight, they have the power to decieve. Look how people think they are of god when they are of antigod. See how the spell covers up their devilish murders.... See how the spell works? When people talk of God the evil of these devils comes into their mind and the person thinks these are somehow connected with God and he/she turns away in revulsion, all this evil is magic, and enchantment. You muggles really get to me. You can't see anything. I'm through talking about it. You are cute Fafner, bye bye. :wahah:

[fafner]

Originally posted by cybotron+Jul 24 2004, 03:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cybotron @ Jul 24 2004, 03:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>...
The pseudo rings do have power, look at the world. They are invisable to common sight, they have the power to decieve.
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You can't see anything.
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Your point is that they do exist but I can't see them ?
How do you expect someone to believe this? Personnally I have never seen something that seems to involve such power... Could you exhibit such an example?

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Where does a government agent's loyalty lies? You seems to answer that the loyalty belongs to God, but that does not look convincing for me. Let's go back to Gandalf: you said he is an agent of the government, but you weren't clear to which government. According to what you said, Gandalf's loyalty would then belongs to God? Which God? I don't see any in the Lord of the Rings
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Here again This quotation is not invisible to any sight, common or uncommon

[fafner]

This will probably be my last post in this discussion. The reason is not because I get bored, or because I am running out of ideas, merely because it crossed my mind that I was simply bothering you, Cybotron. So if you want me to go on, ask me and I will happily continue Otherwise I won't post anymore in this discussion.

Now, for my (potential) last post, I will talk about the secret garden. I think some authors have already spoken about that, among them was Charles Baudelaire if I am not mistaken. I don't remember exactly the details, but I think they used it as a kind of refuge when they were sad. The way I see the secret garden, it is a part of the mind in which no one can know what happens except oneself. So everything one can think about in this secret garden is totally free of other's judgement. Because it is totally isolated, because anything one can think about can be discarded, it is also free of oneself judgement. Therefore it is a perfect place to make experiments, to consider new ideas even if they are weird, or even shameful.
Personnally, I have allowed Nazi's ideas to be accepted in my secret garden to study them. I am not ashamed to say that as at the end of the experiment I rejected them because of strong inconsistencies with personal beliefs that were undiscardable and unbendable. Because of this, I am now able to reject Nazism not because I was told it is wrong, but because I know it is wrong.
Recently I tried another experiment (which is not terminated) much less shame prone. I tried to consider how I could think without using logic, or by using other types of logic. So far it failed. Nevertheless I was able to discover a hidden axiom. Hidden axioms are dogmas... and I HATE dogmas and I found I dogma at the heart of my spirit :wacko: The hidden axiom stated that logic must be used when thinking. And how an axiom could specify whether logic must be used or not? An axiom supposes the pre-existence of logic. This is a circular reasonning!
Now that I am aware of this, and I am searching the answer, it may be your turn, Cybotron, to consider how other kinds of logics could be used when thinking. Use your secret garden, no one except you knows what happens in it. No one can even know if you will one day do this

[jeffbert]

By now, Fafner, you should realize that there is no escape from this thread. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

[fafner]

Sorry, I have said I wouldn't post anymore here except at the express demand of Cybotron.

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Errr... I think I have made another post :wacko:

Damned you're right Jeffbert! I can't stop posting here

[cybotron]

Originally posted by fafner@Jul 31 2004, 03:55 AM
Sorry, I have said I wouldn't post anymore here except at the express demand of Cybotron.

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Errr... I think I have made another post :wacko:

Damned you're right Jeffbert! I can't stop posting here

That's because you're possessed by the spirit of The dread Dragon of the Northern Ragnaroks.... Fafner the Doomed!!! :wahah:

[fafner]

Originally posted by cybotron@Jul 31 2004, 05:20 AM
That's because you're possessed by the spirit of The dread Dragon of the Northern Ragnaroks.... Fafner the Doomed!!! :wahah:

I really can't stop posting here
Only one thing: I rejected the Ring long ago
Too much wild power is of no value compared to peace of mind

[cybotron]

This stream is open...
Gotterdamerung
An excerpt from Wagners "Gotterdamerung"... The Third injecting of this stream in the Euro Astroboy Cyber Interface begins now. :wahah:


initiate 2501 sequence....
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[cybotron]

Originally posted by cybotron@Aug 21 2004, 06:06 PM
[b]This stream is open...
Gotterdamerung
An excerpt from Wagners "Gotterdamerung"... The Third injecting of this stream in the Euro Astroboy Cyber Interface begins now. :wahah:


initiate 2501 sequence....
Cyber Ninja Dageki h34r:  h34r:  h34r:
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:wahah: