Godzilla X Mechagodzill X Mothra Tokyo SOS

[cybotron]

Originally posted by cybotron+Oct 9 2004, 04:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cybotron @ Oct 9 2004, 04:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--O2Destroyer@Oct 9 2004, 03:11 AM
Unfortunately it really isn't a very good godzilla movie.  The previous one, Godzilla against MechaGodzilla is a MUCH MUCH better film.  This one felt completely stagnant to me with no original ideas.  Although I'm pained that the next Godzilla is going to be the last one (until they revive the franchise again), SOS made me think it was about time.  Even 'Giant monsters all-out attack', which I really didn't care for at all since it strayed too much from the Godzilla motif (being done by the Gamera director) was still far more original and inventive than SOS.  I know it is hard to NOT be excited by a new Godzilla movie, but this one is really very blah.

Here is a very positive review.... Whom do you believe? <_< :wahah:
Sadly.... Some just don't get it.
Here is a second positive review.....

And here is a third positive review from a guy who was there in Tokyo for the film...
It's really an inside sort of thing.... When Tokyo sends out an SOS I listen. Toooooo bad Japan was whipped by the Four winds to such a degree. These are the days of Heaven. And that's what happens when you muck over YOG. One flap of Mothras wings..... I ordered the DVD, it arrives Dec.14 in time for Xmas.
I have clips and from the ads i've seen,I can hardly wait. But there were those that did not like Astroboy.
Here is a Village Voice review [/b][/quote]
Just got my copy and it's the greatest of all Gmovies... :wahah:
Them detractors are nutzz or liers? best costumes, best effects, best script.... :wahah:

[O2Destroyer]

Originally posted by cybotron@Dec 16 2004, 06:10 AM
Just got my copy and it's the greatest of all Gmovies... :wahah:
Them detractors are nutzz or liers? best costumes, best effects, best script.... :wahah:

Yes, all us other Godzilla fans are liars... and nutzz.

Best SCRIPT!!??? Sure, I guess if the only other G film is 'vs. Gigan' or 'vs. Megalon'. You've got to be kidding though. The plot is terribly recycled (as are almost all the fight scenes), and the ending where mecha godzilla says goodbye to its pilot is so very very bad that it was hard to watch.

IMO, this is the worst Godzilla since Space Godzilla--but other people love that film so there's no way to say who's opinion is best; however, space godzilla is certainly a more creative film than this one (which doesn't seem to have a single original idea).

I have no clue how you can say this is the best G film ever; for me, I say 'file under duldrums'.

EDIT: Thought it worth adding a list of G films I find considerably better than this one (which is at least half of them, though I'll stick right to a 'top quality' list): Godzilla X Mechagodzilla, Megaguirus, Destroyah, Mechagodzilla (90's version), King Ghidora, Biolante, and of course many of the classic 60's and 50's ones ('vs. the thing', 'planet x', etc. and the original.) Much of my problem with SOS is that if you've seen these other films, you'll spot all the points where they just start ripping off scenes shot for shot (at least as far as the fights go). Never mind that the plot is really nonsense even compared to previous plots (really, King Ghidora seems almost sane compared to this plot). How can the plot even be interesting compared to the plot of its prequel 'X Mechagodzilla', which borders on surreal at times. SOS dumps the interesting characters of 'X Mechagodzilla' for completely uninteresting characters--so the only thing left is the monster fights. Unfortunately, we've seen all this before. The only thing that is new, is we haven't seen this combination before!

Does that mean the next best G movie will be G vs. King Kong vs. Baragon (because we havn't seen it before)!!??

You may be right that there are some technical improvements here; but everything that ever made a Godzilla movie great has been present since 1954. I don't buy that better effects make a great Godzilla film. The really good ones do have good character development, ask interesting questions, or at least serve up a whole bunch of weird (IE King Ghidora). SOS doesn't do any of those things. I'm pretty disastisfied on all levels with this one.

[cybotron]

Uh uhhhh. There are plenty of others that really loved this movie... Chujo was back from the original Mothra. Mothra never looked so good. Mechagodzilla was way way improved. The story was great, and even I could not have been more thrilled. It was great. I found it not to be predictable. But it was well reviewed by the real fans of the Genre that said "you will not be disappointed. :wahah: "
This movie is a perfect Xmas present for me, and I say it was great. The best in "Millennium Series" right up there with Battle for Earth!
It's obvious you don't know what this is all about. Never been to the far east? Never been in the military? Never studied the sacred scrolls of heaven? I'm not about to tell a grown up about the secrets of the kids from above, (ie. Space Children) but I will say this.... The communications of the "Japan Counter Xenomorph force" are taken very seriously in intelligence circles... B) And ignored only by the ignorant
XENOMORPH

Surely you're not one of those that think "Mechagodzilla" is sheer fantasy?
Can you think? Can you see?
Mechagodzilla runs!!!!

[fafner]

Originally posted by cybotron@Dec 15 2004, 09:10 PM
Them detractors are nutzz or liers? best costumes, best effects, best script.... :wahah:

I think Cybotron should really learn a bit of objectivity

[cybotron]

Originally posted by fafner+Dec 17 2004, 04:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fafner @ Dec 17 2004, 04:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cybotron@Dec 15 2004, 09:10 PM
Them detractors are nutzz or liers? best costumes, best effects, best script.... :wahah:

I think Cybotron should really learn a bit of objectivity [/b][/quote]
Here is your objectivity lesson for today dude.... This is a real Kai'ju tearing through a skyscraper....
:wacko:
I wonder sometimes about you....
Since you desire to become or transform
yourself into a Kai'Ju serpent, you
should speak as if you had sense.
Instead of as a clown.....

Kaiju is translated to "mysterious beast/animal".
This is somewhat like "monster" but with
a supernatural overtone.
Japanese monster movies are often called "kaiju eiga".
- from the Godzilla FAQ....

[O2Destroyer]

And clearly since I don't agree with you I just don't get Godzilla or something. C'mon man, I'm sure I can cite just as many people with real Godzilla credentials that didn't dig this movie. I'm not saying there is no validity to your opinion, but seriously, in your world, there IS only your opinion. There's plenty of big G fans (people who go to 'serious' G conventions like this--http://www.g2004.net/godzilla/--who thought SOS was a big pile of crap.) In fact, most 'serious' fans seem to dispise everything after Destroyer, so I see myself as more open minded.

Also, what do I have to do for my opinion to have any validity on Godzilla? I've already been a fan all my life, I've seen all the movies (multiple times), and I'm a total japanese cinemafile, and have read several books on Godzilla.

Oh, I haven't been to Japan so I can't understand Godzilla. That's absurd! I don't claim to understand every subtle japanese cultural reference, but I think anyone can see the acting in this film is sup par, the soundtrack is sub par (what are you supposed to do without Ifikube?) and for the most part, the story is just blah. SOS is proclaimed by fans and detractors of the film as mostly an action based outing with little story, so it comes down to whether you like the action in this film or not.

Having seen the other films, I did not care too much for the action. So many scenes were just stolen from other films...

But clearly, I cannot understand, but you can because you are a Godzilla expert and I am not. Nor is apparently anyone else for that matter--except those who agree with your opinion.

Even before you saw this movie, you declared that I was wrong. Nevermind that I had already seen the movie, and had heard back from several G-fan friends that the movie stank.

I don't mind disagreeing with you Cybotron, but maybe I DO think the objectivity is lacking. If you think this story is original or the action actually effective, maybe we should discuss it OBJECTIVELY. Instead of just saying people who disagree with you are liars or insane.

In fact, even the thought that you consider this a better movie than Godzilla 54 really throws anything you've said right out the window.

[fafner]

Originally posted by cybotron@Dec 16 2004, 10:41 PM
Since you desire to become or transform
yourself into a Kai'Ju serpent, you
should speak as if you had sense.
Instead of as a clown.....

Could you justify this?
1) Why do you think I want to transform myself into a Kai'Ju serpent?
2) Why do I speak like a clown?

Oh, the download is finished... but I don't understand the link with objectivity... sincerly

[cybotron]

Originally posted by fafner+Dec 17 2004, 07:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fafner @ Dec 17 2004, 07:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--cybotron@Dec 16 2004, 10:41 PM
Since you desire to become or transform
yourself into a Kai'Ju serpent, you
should speak as if you had sense.
Instead of as a clown.....

Could you justify this?
1) Why do you think I want to transform myself into a Kai'Ju serpent?
2) Why do I speak like a clown?

Oh, the download is finished... but I don't understand the link with objectivity... sincerly [/b][/quote]
Because Fafner is the name of a Kai'Ju, one of the elder evil Gods, the Godzilla of the North as it were.... Duhhhhh.
One from outside, an alien. A Xenomorph. A changeling. Examples, Moses, Jesus, Daniel, Sigfried, St.George, Cortez,
King Ju? Bin Ladin is a Kai'Ju wannabe.

A celestial or heavenly being that destroys the world!
Fulfilling a prophetic doom.
"....Japanese Creation Myth
Long ago all the elements were mixed together with one germ of life. This germ began to mix things around and around until the heavier part sank and the lighter part rose. A muddy sea that covered the entire earth was created. From this ocean grew a green shoot. It grew and grew until it reached the clouds and there it was tranformed into a god. Soon this god grew lonely and it began to create other gods. The last two gods it made, Izanagi anf Izanami, were the most remarkable.
One day as they were walking along they looked down on the ocean and wondered what was beneath it. Izanagi thrust his staff into the waters and as he pulled it back up some clumps of mud fell back into the sea. They began to harden and grow until they became the islands of Japan.

The two descended to these islands and began to explore, each going in different directions. They created all kinds of plants. When they met again they decided to marry and have children to inhabit the land. The first child Izanami bore was a girl of radiant beauty. The gods decided she was too beautiful to live in Japan, so they put her up in the sky and she became the sun. Their second daughter, Tsuki-yami, became the moon and their third and unruly son, Sosano-wo, was sentenced to the sea, where he creates storms.

Later, their first child, Amaterasu, bore a son who became the emperor of Japan and all the emperors since then have claimed descent from him..."
Here is the Genesis of the Shinto....


Main Entry: 1ob·jec·tive
Pronunciation: ob-'jek-tiv, äb-
Function: adjective
1 a : relating to or existing as an object of thought without consideration of independent existence -- used chiefly in medieval philosophy b : of, relating to, or being an object , phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind <objective reality> <our reveries... are significantly and repeatedly shaped by our transactions with the objective world -- Marvin Reznikoff> -- compare SUBJECTIVE 3a c of a symptom of disease : perceptible to persons other than the affected individual -- compare SUBJECTIVE 4c d : involving or deriving from sense perception or experience with actual objects , conditions, or phenomena <objective awareness> <objective data>
2 : relating to, characteristic of, or constituting the case of words that follow prepositions or transitive verbs
3 a : expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations <objective art> <an objective history of the war> <an objective judgment> b of a test : limited to choices of fixed alternatives and reducing subjective factors to a minimum
synonym see MATERIAL, FAIR
- ob·jec·tive·ly adverb
- ob·jec·tive·ness noun
- ob·jec·tiv·i·ty /"äb-"jek-'ti-v&-tE, &b-/ noun

As for O2destroyer..... What can I say? I said you were nutsszzz. Not insane. The world is full of nuts. Baseball nuts, movie nuts, astroboy nuts, Kaiju nuts. In a pop culture way. :wahah:
I mean really... Who cares about our oppinion about multi million dollar movie production? But Intelligence broadcasts are what I'm after. Not entertainment. And as regards The Counter Xenomorph driven Godzilla films, this is the best so far..... As for whats in it or any further decryption... no way jose.
I have no time for emty headed trivia... I'm here only to relay Fleet Comm as far as it is useful for Cosmic war operations. B)

[fafner]

Originally posted by cybotron+Dec 17 2004, 12:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cybotron @ Dec 17 2004, 12:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Because Fafner is the name of a Kai'Ju, one of the elder evil Gods, the Godzilla of the North as it were.... Duhhhhh. [/b]

So you think that because I took the name "fafner" on the Internet it means I feel exactly like Fafner the Giant? Think again... there are many symbols behind the choice of that name, but the the desire to become a dragon is not among them

Originally posted by -cybotron@Dec 17 2004, 12:57 AM
The word is multilingual.... Kai=from the greek meaning King
Ju=from the syllable Ju . One from outside, an alien. A Xenomorph. A changeling. Examples, Moses, Jesus, Daniel, Sigfried, St.George, Cortez,
King Ju? Bin Ladin is a Kai'Ju wannabe.

According to the fish, king is βασιλιάς in modern Greek. If you meant in ancient Greek, the word is almost the same ( sorry, no Greek keyboard handy so I can write it ).
edited a second later
Grrrrrrrr! :angry: why Greek alphabet doesn't work here?
Transposed to Latin alphabet, king is "basilias" in modern Greek, and "basileus" in ancient.
<!--QuoteBegin--cybotron@Dec 17 2004, 12:57 AM
Main Entry: 1ob·jec·tive
Pronunciation: ob-'jek-tiv, äb-
Function: adjective
1 a : relating to or existing as an object of thought without consideration of independent existence -- used chiefly in medieval philosophy b : of, relating to, or being an object , phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind <objective reality> <our reveries... are significantly and repeatedly shaped by our transactions with the objective world -- Marvin Reznikoff> -- compare SUBJECTIVE 3a c of a symptom of disease : perceptible to persons other than the affected individual -- compare SUBJECTIVE 4c d : involving or deriving from sense perception or experience with actual objects , conditions, or phenomena <objective awareness> <objective data>
2 : relating to, characteristic of, or constituting the case of words that follow prepositions or transitive verbs
3 a : expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations <objective art> <an objective history of the war> <an objective judgment> b of a test : limited to choices of fixed alternatives and reducing subjective factors to a minimum
synonym see MATERIAL, FAIR
- ob·jec·tive·ly adverb
- ob·jec·tive·ness noun
- ob·jec·tiv·i·ty /"äb-"jek-'ti-v&-tE, &b-/ noun [/quote]
I know those nouns I think that according to the definition you gave you didn't fulfilled the requirements for being "objective"

[cybotron]

kai basileus
Try strongs Concordance
For greek and hebrew translations. And you must be drawn to Fafner and his power, or else why don his name?
?
"...And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. (ie. kai basileus,or late 20th century post WWW2, Kai'Ju, Japanese slang for "King Ju or King of the Ju ).."rev 19:16 :wahah:
Lt's see how much Intel value you have in a life and death Jihad.