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Postby fafner » 20 years ago

Originally posted by dannavy85@May 21 2005, 05:30 AM
Worst of the entire series? Has to be Phantom Menace, that movie sucked totally. Jar Jar should have been a character swiftly killed off by a rabid Tawn Tawn, crazed Namboozian Tazmainian Devil or something. That "Meesah" stuff got old quick and the whole thing was made for kids, big mistake there.

Looks like JJB really is the most hated character of the Star Wars saga, even more than the evil ones who are at least serious and competent :D I have downloaded a few months ago (but still not watched in its entirety) a movie called "Phantom Edit" that was basically the same as "Phantom Menace", except it was edited from all scenes considered bad by fans, most of them being JJB appearances. I also remember in Sith Apprentice (a fan parody where Dark Sidious chooses an apprentice) that JJB was among the "dark candidates", but was fried to death by Dark Sidious barely 30 secondes after the beginning of the movie :P
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Postby super_kim » 20 years ago

I love star wars and i loved the third movie. The first two were a bit iffy, but this one definitely made up for having to sit through them. Iv seen it twice and am most probably likely to go see it again. I don't mind if lucas isnt a supergenius, i still like his movies. It was a pretty good stab at Bush with his if you are not with me, u are my enemy line though. So he obviously he does put sum depth into his films, unless ofcourse it was entirely coincidence.

Does anybody know why in episode four C3PO has a silver leg? I was hoping we'd find out in episode 3, but by the end of the movie he still had two golden legs.

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Postby DrFrag » 20 years ago

Maybe he's still lucky to be in one piece, what with the rebellion and all.
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Postby jeffbert » 20 years ago

Originally posted by super_kim@May 29 2005, 05:59 AM
I love star wars and i loved the third movie. The first two were a bit iffy, but this one definitely made up for having to sit through them. Iv seen it twice and am most probably likely to go see it again. I don't mind if lucas isnt a supergenius, i still like his movies. It was a pretty good stab at Bush with his if you are not with me, u are my enemy line though. So he obviously he does put sum depth into his films, unless ofcourse it was entirely coincidence.

Does anybody know why in episode four C3PO has a silver leg? I was hoping we'd find out in episode 3, but by the end of the movie he still had two golden legs.

Actually Bush did not originate that statement. I cannot say with certainty that Jesus did, but he certainly said it (according to the Bible, anyway) before Bush did. :D
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Postby dannavy85 » 20 years ago

It was a pretty good stab at Bush with his if you are not with me, u are my enemy line though.


The obvious politization of Star Wars III is part of the reason it has quickly slipped from number 1. Perhaps you should leave your little political references off this forum before you decide to start a back and forth flame war.
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Postby fafner » 20 years ago

Originally posted by super_kim@May 29 2005, 12:59 PM
It was a pretty good stab at Bush with his if you are not with me, u are my enemy line though.

This insanity has been used through History by countless people. I don't think it could be a stab to someone in particular :D
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Postby O2Destroyer » 20 years ago

Hmmm, I liked the film. At the same time it was really tough though given how much of the emotional weight depended on character development from the first two films (which frankly wasn't there.) Like a student trying to pull their grade out of the garbage in the last quarter, this was a mighty effort, but for me it didn't hit it out of the ballpark, which is what it really NEEDED to do. It was also VERY busy--I wish they could have condensed ep. 1 & 2 into one movie and had ep. 3 stretch over two movies (it certainly deserved it).

All the fake backgrounds drove me crazy and a lot of the acting was unimpressive (how are you supposed to act effectively in front of a blue screen?) A few scenes also were a bit on the goofy side, but definitely forgivable.

Definitely glad I saw it, but it made me really sad how absolutely crappy ep. 1 & 2 were.
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Postby jeffbert » 20 years ago

Stories, plays, etc, have been used to cloak political comments for a very long time. Messages were masked in metaphors if the people expressing them were fearful of consequences; in other cases, they were more obvious. I am not expert on this, but even Gulliver's Travels was highly political by its metaphors that were meaningful to the readers at that time. The Gospels also employ metaphor in the parables attributed to Jesus.

As far as modern films are concerned, I either like or dislike them for reasons other than such political messages. I thought the Robocop trilogy was full of anti-bussiness or perhaps I should call them "trust the (big & getting bigger) government & distrust private industry" messages. While I disagreed with that, I still refused to let that ruin my enjoyment of the film.

However, I recognise that these subtle messages are at least as effective if not more so, than outright rhetoric. This is because the listener will be on the defensive if he hears statements that directly counter what he believes. Yet, if that rhetoric is hidden in a story, he will likely be less defensive. If he has been reading a story and has come to identiy with a character, that character can in latter parts of the story, express views with which the reader disagrees even strongly, and that reader just might begin to see the other side's view on that issue. I have studied psychology in college, & now wonder if there is a class about the psychology of propaganda. I would enroll if I could find such a thing.

Several factors are at work, though:

1. Group dynamics/peer pressure.
If more than 1 person holds a particular view, that group holding the view has a greater influence than an individual. There were more than a few psychologists who recognised that the mob mentality robbed people of their common sense or ethics. This was true of the Nazi war crimes trials as well as rioting, etc. Experts in psyc argued that had the circumstances been different, it would be appropriate to hold the henchmen accountable, but since they were carried away with a group that collectively did such & such, the personal responsibility could not be proven.

Sorry I am a bit vague on that, but it has been a year since I finished school. If anybody wants clarification, please ask, & I will refer to my text books.

2. As noted above, the power that empathy for the story's protagonist has over the reader's values.

3. as noted above, the disconnection between the situation in the story and that of the real world, allows the writers to express views that otherwise would draw criticism. :D Ok, I realize that some have detected political messages in III, but nevertheless, others might not. Of those who do see political views in the films, how many leave the theatre mid film rather than tolerate the film to its end? They may not have agreed with the statement, but they did receive it.

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I am too tired to continue this right now. B)
However, I welcome any civilized discussion of my statement.
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Postby dannavy85 » 20 years ago

I just don't want things to start going political because someone brings up this hype over Star Wars being an anti-American, Bush-bashing Gala flick and decides to snipe a piece of their own politics into a place that should not be.
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Postby adrian _68 » 20 years ago

Just to clarify things, where did Obi-Wan go after giving Luke to Owen and Beru Lars?


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