Did you ever find mistakes?

[jeffbert]

Originally posted by Astro forever@Aug 24 2005, 03:05 PM
Okay, the next one, from [b]The Greatest Robot in the World (part 1), is totally impossible to see at normal speed. I saw it only because I was taking so many screenshots for the 1980s thread! But I still thought it was interesting:



Half of Astro is seen through the glass in the left window, but of course, it shouldn't. [/b]

I think what is really happening, is that he is moving accross the screen, & as such, might be blurred a bit in any still frame. What is the next frame? I suspect it is nearly identicle, except that Atom has moved upward & to the left just a bit.

[Astro Forever]

Originally posted by jeffbert@Aug 24 2005, 04:11 PM
I think what is really happening, is that he is moving accross the screen, & as such, might be blurred a bit in any still frame. What is the next frame? I suspect it is nearly identicle, except that Atom has moved upward & to the left just a bit.

Here is the previous frame:

His right hand doesn't seem blurred to me. I can also see the reflections of the window on his head (I mean the lines). I could see them on his body in the last pic.

It's as if the three windows were on the same cel, while they sould have made a seperate cel with only the second window.

And the next one:

Even stranger... Did the window auto-repaired itself??? :wacko: It looks exactly the way it looked before Astro took off:


I want to buy one of these windows!!! :wahah:

[fafner]

Looks like the middle and right windows belong to the background, but for some obscur reason the left one doesn't. The animator probably drew the breaking part on top of the middle window, giving the illusion that the window is breaking. Of course, once the glass pieces are gone, the window seem intact
By the way, Astro's jet fire is before the windows too :wahah:

[Astro Forever]

Originally posted by fafner@Aug 24 2005, 05:05 PM
Looks like the middle and right windows belong to the background, but for some obscur reason the left one doesn't. The animator probably drew the breaking part on top of the middle window, giving the illusion that the window is breaking. Of course, once the glass pieces are gone, the window seem intact
By the way, Astro's jet fire is before the windows too :wahah:

Even worse, you can see the *frame* of the window through them!

As for the middle window, I think that the cracks in the window should remain visible(s?), even after the little pieces fell down.

[fafner]

Originally posted by Astro forever@Aug 24 2005, 11:24 PM
As for the middle window, I think that the cracks in the window should remain visible(s?), even after the little pieces fell down.

Unless the whole window broke apart...

[Astro Forever]

Originally posted by fafner+Aug 24 2005, 05:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fafner @ Aug 24 2005, 05:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Astro forever@Aug 24 2005, 11:24 PM
As for the middle window, I think that the cracks in the window should remain visible(s?), even after the little pieces fell down.

Unless the whole window broke apart...[/b][/quote]
I misread what you said, sorry. Looks like we agree on this!

[jeffbert]

I think what happened was that when Atom was inside he was drawn by a background guy:

When he broke through the window, he was still drawn by the same guy, but the foreground guy drew the breaking window and not wanting to have another guy draw him in front of the window that was already part of the foreground, they just left him in the background:


In other words, the area of the window that is broken and missing was completely transparent. Notice how the break very conveniently is so far toward the left of that pane that is is cleanly broken right along the edge of the frame. The other panes were still drawn by the FG guy, who was too busy or whatever to make a transparency that matched Atom's outline.

Therefore, Atom who was drawn by the background guy, & hence, in the background, is clearly seen in that area. However, I see an inconsistency to this theory in the part of him that overlays the window frame. His front peak & palm of his hand do not seem blurred. On the other hand, it is quite clear that only that one panel of glass had any transparency in it.



Now that part of him is in the foreground (has the house as the apparent background, but it is really drawn by the foreground artist), while the rest in in front of blue sky, only that part that overlaps the house is clearly weird. However, if you look at his the part of him in front of the sky, it seems oddly fuzzy. The sky & the outside of the house were drawn by the FG guy, while both Atom, & everything inside the house was drawn by the BG guy. Rather than creating a foreground with a transparent part that fit Atom's outline, they just made it semitransparent.

[Astro Forever]

Originally posted by jeffbert@Aug 24 2005, 09:56 PM

Now that part of him is in the foreground (has the house as the apparent background, but it is really drawn by the foreground artist), while the rest in in front of blue sky, only that part that overlaps the house is clearly weird. However, if you look at his the part of him in front of the sky, it seems oddly fuzzy. The sky & the outside of the house were drawn by the FG guy, while both Atom, & everything inside the house was drawn by the BG guy. Rather than creating a foreground with a transparent part that fit Atom's outline, they just made it semitransparent.

How about this one?


I see what you mean, Astro himself seems a little bit blurred/transparent in the pic I quoted from your post. But I don't see it in the above pic. What do you think happened?

These few frames show how much teamwork, communication and thoughts are needed to create an animated cartoon. It's definately tricky, and in a way, those little mistakes are almost a tribute because once in a while, we get to see all the work behind this. It's not as easy as it looks at first glance!

[jeffbert]

Originally posted by Astro forever+Aug 24 2005, 09:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Astro forever @ Aug 24 2005, 09:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--jeffbert@Aug 24 2005, 09:56 PM

Now that part of him is in the foreground (has the house as the apparent background, but it is really drawn by the foreground artist), while the rest in in front of blue sky, only that part that overlaps the house is clearly weird. However, if you look at his the part of him in front of the sky, it seems oddly fuzzy. The sky & the outside of the house were drawn by the FG guy, while both Atom, & everything inside the house was drawn by the BG guy. Rather than creating a foreground with a transparent part that fit Atom's outline, they just made it semitransparent.

How about this one?


I see what you mean, Astro himself seems a little bit blurred/transparent in the pic I quoted from your post. But I don't see it in the above pic. What do you think happened?

These few frames show how much teamwork, communication and thoughts are needed to create an animated cartoon. It's definately tricky, and in a way, those little mistakes are almost a tribute because once in a while, we get to see all the work behind this. It's not as easy as it looks at first glance!
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It is quite clear that the lower portion of him (that overlays the window) was drawn by the background artist, who also drew the rest of the picture. In other words, the foreground artist only drew the windows.

[Astro Forever]

Thanks! Very interesting.