Astro is NOT related to Pinocchio

[fafner]

Originally posted by cybotron@Oct 13 2005, 06:42 PM


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I didn't felt anything Can you do it again, I promise I will pay attention

[cybotron]

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[cybotron]

Pinocchio 3000 (2005)
This argument has gotten out of hand.......

[Rupp_Rider]

Nuku Nuku also has kokoro. However, Kokoro has nothing to do with resurrection. A robot that had been deactivated then reactivated does not equal a human that had been dead but was later resurrected. Although, in the new series, reactivation was a bit more than merely flipping the 'on' switch, it was more reminiscent of the first Frankenstein film, than Christ rising from the dead.

In the manga, there was a happy ending to the sad ending of the 60s anime, in which Atom was destroyed by the sun. The manga made a sequel to that story in which aliens found and repaired the melted hero. But repairing a burnt out robot and resurrecting a dead human are two very different things.

However, if you want to see it as echoing your religious beliefs, you should know that Tezuka was a Buddhist, and Astroboy has always reflected Buddhist values. All life is sacred to our little hero.

Actually, Tezuka was not a Buddhist; according to Wikipedia, he was largely agnostic.

[Rupp_Rider]

Okay. Getting back to the original purpose of this thread. Astro Boy may not be Pinocchio, but one must admit that in a general sense, the two stories have common ground. Both are manufactured, given life by whatever means, either become disgruntled with their creator or their creator becomes disgruntled with them, they leave to join a circus, after leaving the circus (by whatever means), they later endure hardship and ordeal and come out of it in a heroic manner.

Just my two cent's worth...

[Rupp_Rider]

Pinocchio 3000 (2005)
This argument has gotten out of hand.......

THAT preview was trippy! Now since Astro Boy is supposedly inspired by Pinocchio, they came out with a robot Pinocchio that looks like it's inspired by Astro Boy?!?

...WEIRD... ...Yes, this argument HAS gotten out of hand!!!

[jeffbert]

While your three posts each do address different things, next time try waiting until somebody responds to your first post before making a second post. It is not a rule, but it helps keep the members happy.

You are able to edit your posts for 24 hours after first making them, so if you need to add something try editing first.

With regards to Tezuka's religious beliefs, he may have been agnostic, but he had been reared in a Buddhist/Shinto nation, and was certainly familiar with the beliefs of these religions. He did include references to Christianity in more than a few of his stories. If you browse the Animate This thread, you will find a few instances of characters making the sign of the cross; some are serious, such as occurs in the Angel of the Alps, but some are humorous, such as the dog in the Robot Vikings.

Moreover, Ribon no Kishi includes quite a few Christian references in it; it being set in the middle ages Europe. I think Tezuka was respectful of all the real religions that he included in his works. 'real' being actual historical rather than the largely fictional ones such as are found in Phoenix. True, in Buddha, he did depict some Hindu Ascetics as very extreme in their beliefs, but every religion can have extremists.

[BBally]

Nuku Nuku also has kokoro. However, Kokoro has nothing to do with resurrection. A robot that had been deactivated then reactivated does not equal a human that had been dead but was later resurrected. Although, in the new series, reactivation was a bit more than merely flipping the 'on' switch, it was more reminiscent of the first Frankenstein film, than Christ rising from the dead.

In the manga, there was a happy ending to the sad ending of the 60s anime, in which Atom was destroyed by the sun. The manga made a sequel to that story in which aliens found and repaired the melted hero. But repairing a burnt out robot and resurrecting a dead human are two very different things.

However, if you want to see it as echoing your religious beliefs, you should know that Tezuka was a Buddhist, and Astroboy has always reflected Buddhist values. All life is sacred to our little hero.

I'm a muslim and religion does NOT come to mind when I watch or think of Astro Boy.

[cybotron]

[QUOTE=jeffbert;49550]Nuku Nuku also has kokoro. However, Kokoro has nothing to do with resurrection. A robot that had been deactivated then reactivated does not equal a human that had been dead but was later resurrected. Although, in the new series, reactivation was a bit more than merely flipping the 'on' switch, it was more reminiscent of the first Frankenstein film, than Christ rising from the dead.

In the manga, there was a happy ending to the sad ending of the 60s anime, in which Atom was destroyed by the sun. The manga made a sequel to that story in which aliens found and repaired the melted hero. But repairing a burnt out robot and resurrecting a dead human are two very different things.

However, if you want to see it as echoing your religious beliefs, you should know that Tezuka was a Buddhist, and Astroboy has always reflected Buddhist values. All life is sacred to our little hero.

I'm a muslim and religion does NOT come to mind when I watch or think of Astro Boy.[/QUOTE]

Again equating the Spiritual with the religious is not mind expanding. The Apocalyptic metaphors used in Astroboy transcend the religious and moves into the Apocrypha iconography of interplanetary thought. It is not merely multi ethnic, but "Earth thought," a product of spiritual fusion. Whole Earth as it were. Earthling. Lord of Worlds. Not just this world. Able to grasp the Interplanetary. The Post industrial.... Cyber Age. Anykid can study all the planted and evolved Ethnostructures of the planet. Even into the ancient claystones of protosumerian-Ishtar, Sheba, Gilgamesh and even earlier the Vedas and mythos and lore of all the planet in the privacy of his own closet.

[jeffbert]

[QUOTE=jeffbert;49550]Nuku Nuku also has kokoro. However, Kokoro has nothing to do with resurrection. A robot that had been deactivated then reactivated does not equal a human that had been dead but was later resurrected. Although, in the new series, reactivation was a bit more than merely flipping the 'on' switch, it was more reminiscent of the first Frankenstein film, than Christ rising from the dead.

In the manga, there was a happy ending to the sad ending of the 60s anime, in which Atom was destroyed by the sun. The manga made a sequel to that story in which aliens found and repaired the melted hero. But repairing a burnt out robot and resurrecting a dead human are two very different things.

However, if you want to see it as echoing your religious beliefs, you should know that Tezuka was a Buddhist, and Astroboy has always reflected Buddhist values. All life is sacred to our little hero.

I'm a muslim and religion does NOT come to mind when I watch or think of Astro Boy.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps not, but that does not mean that the cartoons were void of religious content. I am not saying that they favored one or another religion (see my last post), but with titles that included The Eyes of Christ, Angel in the Alps, and Thirteen Mysterious Statues of God, just to name three, he was certainly not reluctant to include references to religion in his stories. True, the first of those titles I just listed was rejected by the English-language version, while the 3rd it renamed The Island of Mystery. #152, Robot Bombs had Atom disguised as a golden Buddha statue; but it came after season 2 & therefore was excluded from the ELV, as was #188 Tengu of Kurama, which was all about statues of Buddha. #171 Kutcher Forever featured a traditional Japanese funeral, & if I took some time, I could easily find more than a few more references.

Although we do not normally allow religious discussions here, we do allow discussions about how the Astroboy stories present religion. I would like your comments that relate to this topic as long as they remain relevant.